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JohnD

Bluevale & Whitevale demolition Proposal

I love the unique  style
cybers

Eh  
fastnet

They're bringing it down in slices.....

5, 8, 16 and 20 are going 1st.....

Jenga style....
cybers

Thanks for clearing that up FN thought there was a whole piece of dialogue i might have missed ... i choose 17
JohnD

what do you mean coming down in slices ?
fastnet

What do you mean you like the unique style ?......Remembering this is the Development & Demolition forum ?
JohnD

im sorry im new to this site il stick to the rules and top confusing everybody
cybers

Welcome along

lol just a wee bit of the proverbial leg pulling m8  .... now would you like to clarify your point ?
fastnet

As cybers says expect a little bit of humour on here.

welcome to the madhouse.
Stuball

JENGA!!!!!!



Who wants to do the photoshop honours?
JohnD

Ok. i know what jenga is. I heard there was structural problem due to hydraulic jacks in the foundations
cybers

This would cause a structural problem ohhh and for the record its floor 17 like i said  

Stuball

 
fastnet

cybers wrote:
This would cause a structural problem ohhh and for the record its floor 17 like i said  



BRILLIANT.........  
JohnD

Good pic there . i was wondering what you ment by "17".
sputnik

oh bravo
Celyn

Very Good!       That would be a fun sort of demolition to watch.   Sort of reminiscent of the Monty Python big giant foot stomping things.
womble

fastnet wrote:
cybers wrote:
This would cause a structural problem ohhh and for the record its floor 17 like i said  



BRILLIANT.........  


great pic BUT thats floor 18 getting taken away, there are 29 housing floors, 1 drying floor (now closed off) and a winch floor (also closed off and the winch engines are placed on the stairs leading to the drying area) for fire fighting purposes they are classed as 31 storeys high and are about 6' higher than the red rd flats.

As a side point you can see my floor in the picture  
JohnD

what floors are the drying and winch floors on and what they used for?
womble

JohnD wrote:
what floors are the drying and winch floors on and what they used for?


If you look at the top of the buildings you will see vertical slats thats where the drying and winch rooms were.
Now they are closed off as the neds used them as launch pads for throwing bricks etc down to the pavement and cars below as so called fun, now the winch engines lie on the stairs leading to the drying area blocking access but doesn't stop the odd bucky bottle, washing machine etc being thrown from the verandahs as I said all in the name of "fun"
JohnD

have those vertical slats always been there
cybers

Mmmmm Wombles i lived in those flats for donks .... what floor you on ?

PM if yir more comfy lol I lived in 10 and then on the right hand side corner of 28...

I never mind these blocks ever having drying areas and if you know the right way it's still possible to enter the roof space though i think it might have a camera or two in there now .

The police used to use it for covert watching .... but as far back as the mid 70's my maws mate lived on the 29th of Bluevale and that gate has always been there as long as i can remember.
JohnD

What are they like inside because I want a flat in it if possible.
cybers

Erm like wee houses funnily enough... Nae Gas ....

Go to the Housing office at Parkhead tell them you want a house up there ... they will probably hand you a big bag of keys and tell you to pick the one you like.
Sorted
JohnD

thanks for the tip    is the rent descent  and il go on my 16th
Stuball

Does your mother know you are up at this time of night? Isn't this a school night?
Oh, and you'll have to be 17 before you can properly rent a flat
JohnD

i left school and yes she does  
cybers

Jeezo a strange thought just hit me ...
That D does not stand for Devine does it  
womble

cybers wrote:
Mmmmm Wombles i lived in those flats for donks .... what floor you on ?

PM if yir more comfy lol I lived in 10 and then on the right hand side corner of 28...

I never mind these blocks ever having drying areas and if you know the right way it's still possible to enter the roof space though i think it might have a camera or two in there now .

The police used to use it for covert watching .... but as far back as the mid 70's my maws mate lived on the 29th of Bluevale and that gate has always been there as long as i can remember.


I'm on the 21st floor cybers for about 12yrs now.

My cuz was concierge for a while and we had a wee sly look up in the drying area (there are wee hooks on the wall if my memory is right   )

Anybody wanting to move in should get their heads examined, the old council were starting to get to grips with the junkies (sorry chemichally imbalanced) and vandals but now they are going back to the bad old ways, which I blame the GHA for as they are letting anybody move in as long as they are willing to pay (HB or otherwise) the ridiculous rents,
for example they want someone in a bedsit to pay almost the same as the person next door with a 2/3 apartment.
JohnD

how much is the rent ?
cybers

We used to play golf-roulette in there at daft o clock ...
Crash helmets a 1 wood and a few wet teabags were the only required equipment...

Then it was smash the ball as hard as you can off the centre pillar whilst everyone tried hard no to get hit....

I once had a bruise for 10 weeks on my shoulder the vertical slats used to have a net cover it stopped the pidgeons coming in and the ball going out ... dangerous as hell but it was a laugh !!!
Stuball

JohnD wrote:
how much is the rent ?


We are not going to discuss peoples rent here. If you want to know, make your own direct enquiry to the GHA
fastnet

JohnD wrote:
What are they like inside because I want a flat in it if possible.


If they are coming down then it is very unlikely they will be letting any flats.
Beano

womble

Last time in my wee flat today   , tried for some shots of the views that I could see but all i could get where as follows............

Bluevale


Going down


One of the local junkies sayed to Jinty, "A bet yur glad to be oot hen. I'll be glad wen a move oot in 2 weeks anaw"
Must be bad if the junkies are glad to be shot of the place eh?
fastnet

womble wrote:
Last time in my wee flat today   , tried for some shots of the views that I could see but all i could get where as follows............

Bluevale


Going down


One of the local junkies sayed to Jinty, "A bet yur glad to be oot hen. I'll be glad wen a move oot in 2 weeks anaw"
Must be bad if the junkies are glad to be shot of the place eh?


Says it all really mate.....I hope you both have a nice wee place to move to.
Beano

Womble mate great start for the new year, and new house. I hope you and Jinty enjoy your new home.  
Celyn

Good luck for your new house, Womble!     Flitting is such a pain - I hope you have a good new place to make the hassle worthwhile.
cybers

On a technical note ... What are they going to do with the Mobile Telecoms Masts from these tower blocks as the decimate tower blocks across the city...
Leave us all with shyte reception ?


Bluevale-Whitevale by David C Laurie, on Flickr
Stuball

cybers wrote:
On a technical note ... What are they going to do with the Mobile Telecoms Masts from these tower blocks as the decimate tower blocks across the city...
Leave us all with shyte reception ?



Hide them behind petrol station price boards
cybers

They canny do that they need all the space they can get to keep adding more money onto the bloody things besides which it used to be the canopies they hid them behind ... There is a certain irony in the fact you can't use you phone on the forecourt I find
womble

cheers folks for all your kind thoughts      
I'm just glad to be getting away from the GHA  

As for not using your mobile on a garage forecourt "mythbusters" proved you CAN'T cause an explosion that way  
Gareth1974

I stayed in Whitevale Street for 2 and a half years and I can honestly say it was the worst place I have ever stayed in.

The winters of 2009/10 and 2010/11 were horrendous.  I had ice forming on the walls of my living room; in winter I used to retreat into the bedroom with two heaters on full blast.  The walls were covered in furry dampness.  during the winter of 2010/11 there were also problems with the water supply: apparently caused by the fact that some of the storage tanks had been drained, as the fact that there were few tenants caused problems with the plumbing.  It was common for me to have water for maybe a few hours a day during this time.  

I seriously can't believe that these places were occupied for over 40 years.

The residents were for the most part an unpleasant lot: junkies, neds and people recently released from prison.  I learned that the previous resident of my flat stabbed one of the neighbours on the landing because he returned home to find his door glued shut.  The street was frequented by vicious little neds; walking home was a matter of running a gauntlet.  Some notable incidents I recall: being surrounded by  agroup of 8 or so neds in the foyer of 51, screamng and shouting at me and motioning as if to strike me and an attempted robbery on me right outside the Concierge Station.  Fortunately I practise martial arts and managed to knock the assailant to the ground, pinned him to the ground and banged on the window to alert the Concierge hoping he would alert the police - which of course he didn't!?!?!  What else did he think I was requesting whilst sitting on top of someone?  

The design of the buildings has a balcony that runs around the perimeter occasionally I would get some seedy character at the door asking if for access to the balcony so he could ' go check on his mate.'

I remember a few decent people: a wee black guy who always arrived home same time as me with shirt and trousers on, a young Chinese people with a girl toddler and a wee Hungarian man who informed me that he used to be head of his local police/militia group back in Hungary.

After much arguing with the GHA/EECH I managed to get out of there; they kept trying to push me further east towards Tollcross/Parkhead but I persevered and got a nice upgraded flat in Townhead.

My flat looks east, the city shimmers and the remaining tower blocks are illuminated at night by neon with the exception of the twin towers that are black voids against the shimmering skyline.  You can still see a few lights on in the remaining tenancies.  

I often wonder who remains there.
James

City to Knock Down Tallest Towers (© Evening Times)



The two tallest residential buildings in Glasgow are to be demolished.


The 298ft high-rise flats in Whitevale Street and Bluevale Street, Dennistoun,
are the latest to go on the demolition list. They will join the knockdown queue
behind the Red Road flats and the Ibrox high rise flats.

The 29-storey properties in Dennistoun, which have a total of 348 flats, are
coming down because people no longer want to live in them and maintenance
and running costs are high. For more than four decades the two towers – which
will come down in the next two years – have dominated the East End skyline.
Work began in 1967 and was completed the following year.

Apart from the Barbican Estate in London, they are the tallest public housing
project ever built in the United Kingdom. The towers are owned by Glasgow
Housing Association, which is upgrading homes across the city and is flattening
many of the 1960s blocks. The tenants are slowly being moved to newly-built
properties and other upgraded GHA homes in the areas of their choice or into
houses belonging to other Registered Social Landlords.

In nearby Gallowgate, work is expected to begin next month on 62 new homes.
Gallowgate is on the city’s Transformational Regeneration Areas, a partnership
including the Scottish Government, Glasgow City Council, GHA and other social
landlords. The Areas were set up to help the regeneration of Glasgow through
the building of hundreds more homes. A mix of two and three bedroom homes
will be built by Cruden in Gallowgate. And six ground-floor cottage flats specially
adapted for wheelchair users will also be on the new site.

Andy Ashcroft , GHA east area director, said: “The Gallowgate is in line for a
massive transformation over the next couple of years. We have worked very
closely with the community to determine what type of homes the residents
want
to see. Our decision to demolish these two blocks is part of our plans to
regenerate communities across Glasgow.”

Stephen Birrell, chair of Dennistoun Community Council, said: “I would say
the blocks should be demolished. We would hope for further investment in
quality housing and that development planning, linked to wider regeneration,
provides opportunities to improve local infrastructure, including green space,
amenity space and public realm. Members and partners of Dennistoun Community
Council are committed to involving residents and would be keen to contribute
to consultation events and initiatives linked to this development.”



James H
Beano

 James ah hope that photae wiznae in the paper  
womble

Some good times staying up whtevale which far outway the one or two times I had to bump heads with the local junkie.
cybers

Yer mostly good memories up there myself ... But progress waits for no man !!!

Though i dare say when they find the asbestos that will delay things  
nightfly

AlanM

Glory be... the Evening Times have finally noticed that the Red Road flats aren't  the tallest... only took them over 40 years
sputnik

ive only ever seen the whitevale flats in passing but i have been on the roof of petershill court and was told that it was the highest in europe.this was in the 1970s.anyone have the correct heights?
cybers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ildings_and_structures_in_Glasgow


Gallowgate twins 91m
Red road blocks  89m
AlanM

I think the confusion arose as the Red Road 'slabs' were probably billed as the largest and then various journos etc assumed that largest=tallest
Vinny the Mackem

I think Birnie Court at Red Road went up to 31 floors, but the rest of the flats didn't have so many floors.

Might have been the floor count in that block was the highest - certainly more than Millerston if that ET article is accurate.
cybers

Bluevale and whitevale both have 31 foors with only 29 given up to homes  there is a split level inside the top (Drying space) though never known it as a drying space. as its always been barred and fenced in my memory unlike the ones at Helenvale or Ruby St that did actually use the drying space.
Beano

Demolition workmen are about demolish the old Whitevale baths in the east end of Glasgow. This building is one of only two last remaining landmark structures left from my childhood, the other being the Bellgrove hotel on this part of the Gallowgate. I recall the days in the 1950s-60s when as a kid we could hire a towel and swimming pants as we entered the baths. Our tenement house never had a bathroom so we would go and use the metal baths once a week, and pushing Mum's washing too the steamie, never the good old days just memories...lol





cybers

As far as I was led to believe Ben it's just the steamie that coming down with some sort of facade retention on the baths itself... Such a shame to see the old girl go my Nana was the manageress in there in the 70's and used to go with the school, BB and just with the mates for free swims in the summer.

The water was always either freezing or bath temperature ... and it seems it has now escaped the realms of the urbexer.
Beano

cybers wrote:
As far as I was led to believe Ben it's just the steamie that coming down with some sort of facade retention on the baths itself... Such a shame to see the old girl go my Nana was the manageress in there in the 70's and used to go with the school, BB and just with the mates for free swims in the summer.

The water was always either freezing or bath temperature ... and it seems it has now escaped the realms of the urbexer.
Cybers mate you could be right, just seen the sign and thought the whole lot was being demolished. The workies huts are in the carpark so must be coming down soon...bet ye theres a fire in the rest of the building....  

[edit] just read this on the Dennistoun forum

"It's the builders Cruden, they are starting to clear the site across the road that runs along to the railway bridge for the new houses."
Hawick_1987

Whitevale Baths (21/05/2012)






Hawick_1987







DavidMcD316

Are these flats empty now?

Passed early evening yesterday and seen one single window lit up on one of the buildings
j_trem

Certainly not too many lights on any evening I have passed.
Alex Glass

This photo was posted by Mustang a couple of years back



There was a  discussion about the origins of many of the photos he posted, however, I would be very grateful if anyone could help discocer the real origins of this photo and if possible help me locate some other photos of these two buildings. I would also be interested in seeing any old photos of the interiors of the flats from any period.

The photos may be used in a housing magazine.

THANKS
Beano

Alex it's from Virtual Mitchell
link

http://www.mitchelllibrary.org/vi...MToiQmx1ZXZhbGUgU3QiO30=&pg=2
Alex Glass

Thanks Beano really appreciate you finding that I didn't think to look there but should have as it is the easiest place to take photos from although everythng is watermarked now.

If anyone has any interior photos it would be great to see them.
Hawick_1987

Gallowgate Twins (16/02/13)


smb95

Anything new on the buildings?
fastnet

smb95 wrote:
Anything new on the buildings?


Mrs Smith 17 up got a new intercom.
Beano

fastnet wrote:
smb95 wrote:
Anything new on the buildings?


Mrs Smith 17 up got a new intercom.

cybers

Beano wrote:
fastnet wrote:
smb95 wrote:
Anything new on the buildings?


Mrs Smith 17 up got a new intercom.



Wis she in or did they just walk round the balcony and parp it through the windy...

Alex I might have some photos from inside as we lived at 28/1 51 whitevale st..

Though probably mostly of the sproggs    will have a wee scan through the box and see whats what.
Alex Glass

cybers wrote:


Alex I might have some photos from inside as we lived at 28/1 51 whitevale st..

Though probably mostly of the sproggs    will have a wee scan through the box and see whats what.


That is excellent Cybers    Someone in work is working on a project and is hoping to get any kind of interior shots.
Hawick_1987

Any more word on the Gallowgate twins? I admire the sight every day I arrive back from work. Saying that, I never had to live in them!
mani

these are two towers that in my opinion should be kept to provide much needed housing in the glasgow area just take a look at the block of flats renovates next to ibrox park that could  be done at millerston street flats its all blinkin blow up or pull down these days .
cybers

Both those blocks are riddled with damp and in some cases the breather walls they put up to insulate from the damp have breather walls over the top. I speak from experience on this one. Though I think one should be skinned out and made into a climbing centre and basically have it stand as a modern day ruin.
streetsweeper

AlanM

Whitevale is empty and Bluevale has 7 tenants awaiting rehousing then they'll be hand over to the demolition contractors.

Will be a blowdown despite proximity to neighbouring buildings, so a bit of a challenge for the demolition team. The height and construction method (concrete cast on site) rules out the use of the nibbling machines.
dickyhart

mani wrote:
these are two towers that in my opinion should be kept to provide much needed housing in the glasgow area just take a look at the block of flats renovates next to ibrox park that could  be done at millerston street flats its all blinkin blow up or pull down these days .


Bluevale has a structural fault with some of the flats walls and roofs having cracks appearing over the years. I lived in whitevale for a time on the 2nd floor and got moved to the 9th. It was horrible.
James

mani - it's rather easy to say something like that if you haven't lived in these
buildings. People who have rarely have a good word to say about them.

They were of their time - cheap homes and a cheap solution to a big problem
the city had to face up to. We've moved on. Quite apart from anything else,
other than being tall, IMO they have no architectural merit whatsoever. I'm
happy to see poorly built homes fall by the wayside.



James H
cybers

I have quite happy memories of living there but those are personal family ones mainly because it was me and Erin's first home. With that said i don't miss the junkies in the stairwell the lake of pish in the lift or walking 28 flights with two toddlers because the lift are fucked again, the trimming of the mushrooms from the walls or the fact that you could feel the entire block sway in gales... Yer excellent idea we should keep them ...

Like fcuk we should ... BOOM !!! shed no tears.

Only thing i miss about living there in all honesty was the classy big cast bath with taps yi could stick your toes in not like these plastic barely get yir arse in numbers we have now.
John58

I walked past them last night saw a few lights on in bluevale and 3 lights on in whitevale, the 3 lights where in line in 3 different floors. wonder what they could be
DavidMcD316

cybers wrote:
I have quite happy memories of living there but those are personal family ones mainly because it was me and Erin's first home. With that said i don't miss the junkies in the stairwell the lake of pish in the lift or walking 28 flights with two toddlers because the lift are fucked again, the trimming of the mushrooms from the walls or the fact that you could feel the entire block sway in gales... Yer excellent idea we should keep them ...

Like fcuk we should ... BOOM !!! shed no tears.

Only thing i miss about living there in all honesty was the classy big cast bath with taps yi could stick your toes in not like these plastic barely get yir arse in numbers we have now.


Only good thing I can think of is you must have had a cracking view. Other than that, surprised they lasted that long.
Ruchazie Rat

The makeshift site for the workers building the new houses west of the towers, (the partially chained-off area in the parking lot just south of the towers), has now pulled out.
mani

was visiting a friend who stays in the houses next to the twin towers and i cant see them being brought down by explosives far to close to surrounding buildings
nat

My favourite towerblocks in Glasgow to look at :)
Marblez

Was up there this morning, Whitevale is closed off but Bluevale is still open. Here are a few of the pics ... will post more on flickr in time


Skyscrapers by D1gitAl Imagez, on Flickr


White 51 by D1gitAl Imagez, on Flickr


Blue 109 by D1gitAl Imagez, on Flickr


Whitevale Baths by D1gitAl Imagez, on Flickr
Marblez

Got chatting to this guy this morning and he told me he was one of the original residents from 1968. If anyone knows who he is can they direct him to this page to let him see the photo. Thanks :-)


The Tenant by D1gitAl Imagez, on Flickr
cybers

Eddie McPhee is his name  
Marblez

I had a strange feeling you would know him Davie ....    
cybers

He used to go out with my cousin...
Marblez

cybers wrote:
He used to go out with my cousin...


Nuff said ....  
Marblez

Whitevale is empty and sealed off ... so why the fcuk are the stair lights on


Ghostly Giants by D1gitAl Imagez, on Flickr
smb95

Marblez wrote:
Whitevale is empty and sealed off ... so why the fcuk are the stair lights on


Ghostly Giants by D1gitAl Imagez, on Flickr

Lights aren't turned off until demolition.
Marblez

smb95 wrote:
Marblez wrote:
Whitevale is empty and sealed off ... so why the fcuk are the stair lights on

Lights aren't turned off until demolition.


EVERYTHING is turned off come demolition ...     apart from the detonator
Ruchazie Rat

The lights are on cos the George Square w**kers can clobber us with the bill.
   
fastnet

Ruchazie Rat wrote:
The lights are on cos the George Square w**kers can clobber us with the bill.
   



EH ?..

The flats are GHA property, nothing to do with George square.
Marblez

The strange thing is there are more lights out in the "open" block (ie Bluevale) than there are in Whitevale which is sealed shut !    
Cole

I got the chance to go up Whitevale for doors open day. It was as authentic a trip up a high-rise as you would expect. One lift was broken with someone stuck in it and the other that we all piled into skipped the 3rd floor and the counter wouldn’t go above 17 despite being on the top floor. The chap from GHA told us Whitevale is totally empty and Bluevale only has a handful of people to move. They will be getting gutted of all asbestos, doors, windows etc and then be demolished using explosives. He mentioned due to the construction of the building (using iron supports I believe was the exact reason) and the height it wouldn’t be possible to bring them down bit by bit. Apparently we would be the last members of the public allowed up this block. The flat we went into had been used for filming of the limy show by the bbc fairly recently so it wasn’t in that bad a state. Other flats we could access from the balcony even though they have been lying empty you could see the issues with damp and alike and all the work that would need to be done just on one flat let alone a full block. We couldn’t get access to the very top but we were told they were drying rooms and lift machinery. Apparently they were locked off for years because of frequent use by ned’s and the walking dead (junkies) the guy also told us that someone was once reported for riding a motorbike round the balcony on the top floor.
   
Anyway I took some pics on my phone so sorry for the quality also I had just been round the wellpark brewery so I had a few complementary pints in me.














fastnet

Nice stuff there cole.

And welcome to the site...
cybers

There was a rumour of Spacey of Bizarre Ink rode his Harley from his flat on 8 to the 1st floor in the stairwell but it is just a rumour  
Bear in mind the stairwell finished at one and exited the side of the block or you could go through the door to the foyer.


Never heard the drying room one as it was caged off since the late 70's with a steel door.
Cole

fastnet wrote:
Nice stuff there cole.

And welcome to the site...


thanks I have been lurking for a while and figured it was about time I signed up and contributed to such a good forum.


cybers wrote:
There was a rumour of Spacey of Bizarre Ink rode his Harley from his flat on 8 to the 1st floor in the stairwell but it is just a rumour  
Bear in mind the stairwell finished at one and exited the side of the block or you could go through the door to the foyer.


Never heard the drying room one as it was caged off since the late 70's with a steel door.


sorry my wording on that could have been better. The GHA guy didn't say it was at the very top bit, the drying rooms or that. He said the bike was driven round one of the balconies but he didn’t tell us what one or the exact floor number but he did say the top floor. The wee balcony hasn’t got much space and I was fairly surprised by how low they actually are. Im 6ft give or take and it was only just about waist height on me. The metal bar that goes round them is only just being held on with rust and good wishes and I wasn’t about to put any weight onto it. If someone hit that with any force they wouldn't be arround to tell anyone about it.
Ruchazie Rat

fastnet wrote:
Ruchazie Rat wrote:
The lights are on cos the George Square w**kers can clobber us with the bill.
   



EH ?..

The flats are GHA property, nothing to do with George square.


Sorry.  I stand corrected.



It`s the w**kers in the GHA who can clobber their tenants with the bill.  BTW, how is their "2nd stage" transfer going?  You know, back in 2003 when they were formed, they were gonna "clusterbust" into a collection smaller associations...

And now they BUILD houses...
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