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dickyhart

Bothwellhaugh

nice wee site dedicated to the history of what is now strathclyde park, some good links to other lost communities as well.

http://www.abandonedcommunities.co.uk/bothwellhaugh.html
Kevin_Mc

always found this fascinating that a wee place could just vanish for a country park and man-made loch
calamity

aye me too I read about this place a while ago and find it rather sad that a wee community is gone forever under there.
UG_admin

Nice one DH   I work with a guy who was born here so I'll print it out for him as he's pc-less.
calamity




dickyhart

theres an interesting wee trail around strathclyde park with some of the remains of bothwellhaugh. The park rangers are very knowledgable and will give you some tips on things to find. better discovering them for yourself rather than asking exactly where they are, coz it gives you that "wow" feeling!
dickyhart

calamity wrote:





terrific sir, thank you for posting
calamity

are there any underwater photos of the place, Ive been looking but cant find a thing..
cybers

Pretty sure it was razed before it was filled as it would be a divers dream !!!
dickyhart

apparantly there still foundations under the loch, but it could be one of those myths that have grown over the years.
calamity

I remember our English teacher telling us about the same thing in Wales but said on stormy nights you could hear the church bell ringing.. Id love to see some photos under there if anything is left.
nonamemanthing

My grandparents lived there, was gone before I was born.  Obviously there are some cool pics here http://www.iwitness.btinternet.co.uk/bothwellhaugh/index.htm
Gina

Found this clip about Bothwellhaugh on youtube. I think BBC Scotland did a program a few years ago.


Alycidon

I can remember going to Hamilton from Coatbridge in the Central SMT number 14 bus in the early 1970s, this went via Orbiston Estate in Bellshill then down the little road through the village long after everything was flattened.  The route was only changed when the park was built!!
cybers

The Park is to be drained for works sometime over the next year so at least when the waters gone so will the rumours that the village is intact be proved or disproved.
norrie

I remember seeing that programme, first I had heard of the village was seeing a plaque or something like that in the park
Alycidon

cybers wrote:
The Park is to be drained for works sometime over the next year so at least when the waters gone so will the rumours that the village is intact be proved or disproved.


I have done a bit of map overlaying and the place to look is the extreme North East of the loch, the remains of the village would be submerged under there.  As I mentioned above, when I went through in the site of the village in the seventies there was very little trace of there having been a habitation there.
IBrown

Quite late coming into this thread.

The 'Pailis' was gone long before Strahclyde Loch and Park was even thought about. Been through it as a boy on the Bellshill / Hamilton bus, 1959/60 and it was in ruins then, much of it already demolished and with most folk decanted to Bellshill, just up the Roman road from it, including my brother-in-law's family - his mum appears in one of the videos of the time, as a wee girl.

Pailis Pond became the Bellshill end of Strathclyde Loch, and was a favourite fishing spot for folk from Bellshill, and by mid 1960's when I was a teenager and down there for teenage things, nothing of Bothwellhaugh remained, not even the main road, and the bus that used to go round that way then went straight up the Bog's Brae to Bellshill.
The Bellshillian

Very late to this thread. I think the Strathy was opened in 1971 I was born 1965 and remember taking a walk down to the Pallis as the last of the buildings where demolished. so perhaps a bit later than you remember IBrown. I think my great grandfather was evacuated to Bellshill around about the time I was born. I remember the pit pond being drained for some reason before it was flooded and all the fish where struggling. Confirm what others have said there are no traces of the village under the loch.

The Pallis folk where a bit of a clique in Bellshill many wnet to there own church up Mossend.

As an aside there is a great project website on Hamilton Palace if people wonder why Bothwellhaugh was called the Pailis.
IBrown

It's very difficult to pin down dates exactly but there were major changes going on in my life then so I know that we didn't go to the Pailis after 1966 because I started work on the railway at Bellshill then and I was working when I took a walk with a Viewpark girl over the east side of the Pailis pond on one of the many 'natural' footpaths that headed quite close to the Clyde at Motherwell- I don't remember anything of the Pailis remaining then and I had moved to Helensburgh by November 1967.

I can remember the whole south side of the bottom end of the Bog's Brae was shut off for a long way (including the old access road to the Pailis from the Hamilton direction) while work was going on building the park but the bus had stopped running through the Pailis years before that - the time I remember going through it on the bus a few folk still lived there - the bus  was still the old double decker with loading on an open platform at the back end, I can't remember when they came off to be replaced by the ones with  front loading behind the driver - but I think it was after 1966.

Bounced back for a short period in the mid 1970s and I used to take my two boys for a walk on Sundays from Mossend to Strathclyde Loch via Bellshill Golf Course and the old stone Dookit (which put us into the Park at the North East corner) and walk the new path on the east side of the Loch to the (then) only building at the south end just off the Motherwell Road where we had burgers and chips, before walking back.
calamity

I read recently that the whole place was flattened sadly, isnt it awful that all those people lost their wee town for a park..
IBrown

calamity wrote:
I read recently that the whole place was flattened sadly, isnt it awful that all those people lost their wee town for a park..


It wasn't quite like that. The houses pit owners built for their workers weren't exactly palaces - they had outside toilets shared by more than one family. The houses weren't maintained or upgraded by them after the pits closed. When I first saw the Pailis most of it was derelict ground and what was left was just the same tenements that I lived in at Mossend: 4 families sharing one toilet, none of the houses had running hot water,or a bath.

But there is no doubt it was a community to the end and there are stories of folk decanted to new 1950s housing in Bellshill that just hated it and wanted back to their 'ane place'.
The Bellshillian

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/in...opic=518595.0;attach=364535;image
If this link works it will show you my great grandparents at their house in Roman Place just before WWI. They would still be standing half a century later so you can imagine the state by the time they where demolished. The main problem however was that the drains ran of into the Clyde at a very shallow gradient. By the late fifties raw sewage was backing up into the houses. The pit had closed and it was deemed far to costly to re do the whole sewage system for a village that was pretty redundant as there was no jobs. There wasn't the same car ownership then so obviously residents would have to get the bus to Bellshill or Hamilton for work.

A recent BBC online article reminded me of an old Pailis character, Knocker Knox. Knockers job was to get miners up for work in the morning by as the name suggested knocking their doors and windows. After the pit village was demolished he became homeless and for a time lived in the woods between the old village and Bellshill in a structure made of old doors.
cybers


Strathclyde Loch by David Laurie, on Flickr
Hawick_1987

You got one of those flying-ma-bobs?
Targer

Is that loch artificial (man made)?
cybers

Targer wrote:
Is that loch artificial (man made)?


Yes it was flooded to create this loch and parkland over the village of Bothwellhaugh.
IBrown

cybers wrote:
Targer wrote:
Is that loch artificial (man made)?


Yes it was flooded to create this loch and parkland over the village of Bothwellhaugh.


The shot looks south towards Motherwell and Wishaw. Bothwellhaugh lay at the north end. Did you fly in that direction too?
cybers

covered the entire park before both batteries were expended. never took many photos or video though as I think i was just having way too much fun flying. I have it pencilled in for a decent weather Saturday soon though.
IBrown

cybers wrote:
covered the entire park before both batteries were expended. never took many photos or video though as I think i was just having way too much fun flying. I have it pencilled in for a decent weather Saturday soon though.


Mind yer WW1 Flying Ace leather cap, goggles and Bomber Jacket - try the barras.

I thought it would be helpful to post a ‘before & after’ in map form [link below] to show changes over time and how these affected Bothwellhaugh. The slider (blue button bottom left) when fully right shows what it was like when the Pailis pit was working; and when fully left shows what it is like today.

The main features to note are the alterations made to the line of the River Clyde, and that only a couple of Miner’s Rows at the north west side of the Pailis would have been ‘submerged’ by Strathclyde Loch which of course didn’t happen as these were demolished long before all the land re-engineering began for the new Strathclyde Park.

But what really tickles me all these years later is finding out for the first time that the Pailis lay on Watling Street, the main Roman Road to London.

The ‘Roman Bridge’ that I knew is also shown on the map and it took the road across the South Calder Water – ‘The Calder’ to us yins. Don't know how you would ever get a horse and cart across it though.

http://goo.gl/P4t9wZ
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