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Stuball

Castlemilk

I'm hoping the online community can help build this thread up about the history of Castlemilk. Here is something to start us off

Quote:
Castlemilk (Caisteal Mheilc in Gaelic) is a huge district, lying south of the city adjacent to Rutherglen and Carmunnock.
There is no longer a castle in Castlemilk. Castlemilk House, a stately old mansion built around Cassilton Tower, which was started in 1460 on the site of a 13th century castle, was demolished by Glasgow Corporation in 1969.
The area was developed by the Corporation as a housing scheme in the 1950s to accommodate 34,000 people from inner city slum areas such as the Gorbals.
These people were provided with open spaces, a clean environment and indoor toilets and bathrooms.
Like other schemes at the time, it was poorly planned, with little thought given to providing amenities such as schools or pubs next to the unattractive rows of houses and concrete towers. There were no centres where the residents could socialise and develop a community.
Children travelled to schools and their parents travelled to work. Shopping for more than basics had to be done in the city.
The lack of community together with rising unemployment and crime saw the deterioration of the scheme back almost to the slum conditions it had been designed to replace. It became ironically referred to as Chateau Lait, in typical Glaswegian black humour.
The deterioration of the scheme took place over 20 years with many people moving out. The population had dropped from 37,000 in 1971 to roughly half that number in 1991.
However, despite the social problems associated with poverty and unemployment, the area has seen the benefits of a regeneration strategy implemented in the 1980s which has focused on improved housing and the development of local arts.
Community groups and Cooperative housing associations have done a lot to regenerate the housing and improve the amenities for local people.
A swimming pool, sports centre, shopping arcade and community centres have been developed.
In November 2005, the area's infamous Mitchellhill tower blocks were blown up as part of a £500,000 demolition project.
The Castlemilk tower blocks are the setting for The Jeely Piece Song (sometimes called Skyscraper Weans), a popular modern folk song by Adam McNaughton.
In 2001 the Rev John D. Miller, minister of Castlemilk East Parish Church (from 1971 until his retirement in 2007), was elected Moderator of the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland. Miller Primary School in Castlemilk was named after him and his wife.
Stuball

Some online reading

http://www.castlemilkgp.co.uk/Castlemilk.htm
cybers

A funny point about the Rev Miller...
Rain Hail Shine
Always all over the milk on his bike always a friendly word even for the known Heathens (ME) Always took time out to talk to the youths about the direction they were moving in with true concern.
Well the community decided they were going to have a whip round to buy the good rev a nice little runner... He refused saying they money would be better spent in the community a true sheperd of flocks and respected by all.

He was mugged around 1990 and lets just say "Street Justice" was metered out on the thief.
Stuball

What were the corporation thinking but demolishing this?

cybers

Still some interesting throwbacks from the Estate to be seen in Castlemilk including the castle walls at the end of Machrie Road...
Call S.W.A.T to arrange a visit though  

Before Bowhouse drive etc was put in there was still loads of walls and overgrown paths from the old estate
Alex Glass

Great idea Stu

So can anyone tell me what the "hole in the wall" is?

Not an area of the city I know at all so looking forward to hearing some stories about life in Castlemilk.
dickyhart

The "hole in the wa" is a well known shortcut between fernhill and castlemilk. it was literally a hole in an old wall that everyone walked through. They opened it up properly quite a few years ago and you can drive through it now. The name just stuck. Theres an interesting wee statue of a lad looking over glasgow with a pair of binoclurs next to it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dickyhart/2278803407/

hope that helps

dicky
Alex Glass

Thanks Dicky

Makes sense now. Great photo as well.
cybers

Bearing in mind the hole in the wall was long before the flashy new estates of the milk and fernhill existed twas a short cut drovers track from Busby to High Burnside... closest i ever came to finding out anything about this drovers road was it was not cattle but horses on the way to Hamilton...

If i was a hoss i would have been mighty cheesed off to walk all that way then be expected to run.

Passed that statue many times and wondered what its significance is if any.
fastnet

I have a great cd rom called Lost lands, 600 years of Castlemilk.

If anyone wants a copy then give me a shout.

I also have a nice wee dvd when the Mitchellhill flats were blown down.



*edit*............It is a cd rom and not a dvd.
dickyhart

hi fastnet, i would love a copy

that would be wonderful

thank you

dicky
fastnet

fastnet wrote:
I have a great dvd called Lost lands, 600 years of Castlemilk.

If anyone wants a copy then give me a shout.

I also have a nice wee dvd when the Mitchellhill flats were blown down.


I have just copied this and it's a cd rom and not a dvd.........
Stuball

Thanks for filling in the story of the hole in the wall dickyhart... knew it was something like that

There is other various bits of info around the net but I dont want to blatantly rip it off
cybers

how no lol
many a poor and gifted student got an O' grade through plaguerism  
joyce

Was brought up in castlemilk and loved my childhood there...good to see it getting a mention here.
I took a run back up there a few weeks ago when my sis was home from Oz so we could look at our old close etc and see the changes...
cybers

Was it still there ?
Machrie where i lived is gone  
joyce

Yeah Cybers our old close was there...but both our schools gone braeside and Glenwood
cybers

I thought Glenwood was due for a refurb .... guess they took it one step further
The pool was brilliant at Castlemilk big runny off the top dale scream like a banshee to impress the burds all the way doon ... sheepishly look for your trolleys that got blew aff with the force yi hit the water whilst said burds got rescued with the life guard for almost drooning with laughter...

Hated the big siren and the coloured lights... time tae git oot ya manky wee oinks !!!
joyce

Lol Cybers.
Well the whole area has changed I said to my sis if you were put here and didnt know where you were you would NEVER know it was Castlemilk, am gonna take a wander up there some day with my camera and do a wee tour of the places we played as kids...
We used to go down the hill towards Blairbeth there was a big sausage bridge that scared the life out of me crossing it, wonder if its still there, bet it dont look so scary lol
Fjord

cybers wrote:

The pool was brilliant at Castlemilk big runny off the top dale...

Hated the big siren and the coloured lights... time tae git oot ya manky wee oinks !!!


Went there plenty of times but never had the bottle to go off the top dale the first one was enough. Haha I'd forgotten about that siren and coloured light system that signalled your time was up. Put the shiters up you when it went off.
Blanked it plenty of times but the staff always sussed us out in no time with a blast on the whistle an accusing finger "Right you'se lot wae the red bands on Oot Noo or else!"  happy days

PS: do they still use that siren I've not been back in yonks although I suspect it's banned under some H&S law forbidding it these days.
cybers

They had the guts out the pool about 3 years ago Fjord for the customary refit.
The dales were off limits for yonks before that under H&S rules.
Nae wunner a diver in Glasgow is blue..

Think it went from a coloured banding system to a coloured key then the last tiem i was actually there there seemed to be no time limit at all.
Though it's really only weans that stay long enough to look like yir granny.
joyce

Lol...My memories of the Swimming Pool in Castlemilk was having to go with the school I HATED IT!
Teacher kicked me in when I wouldnt dive put me off swimming after that lol ...I was at the bottom of the pool thinking I would NEVER surface lol Happy Days Eh?  
cybers

Rubber bricks from the bottom of the pool always confused me...
Still do to an extent I must have pulled that many of those black treasures from the bottom i could have built my own waterproof pool.
Alex Glass

Great stories/memories folks.

Was it the Jelly Piece Club that started in Castlemilk?

Will need to ask about to see if anyone I know has any old photos.
cybers

Vague memories of the Jeely Piece in Dougrie Alex but had an argument about its origins as someone was absolutely to the point of threatening violence it started in the Alexandra Parade Primary...

Whatever its origins it's something that would be almost impossible to do now with checks and whatnot into your suitability just to be a parent never mind be part of a group like this.
joyce

The Jelly Piece Club, I worked with a woman years ago who was part of running the club in Castlemilk, dont know the origin of it, but seemed a great thing for the kids of Castlemilk  
sputnik

the jeely piece club was a take on the adam mcnaughton song,altogether now............................oh ye canny fling pieces oota twenty storey flat.
Alex Glass

twenty thousand hungry weans will testify to that
joyce

Lol Alex, I always remember my brother in law singing that song at parties lol
dickyhart

Alex Glass wrote:
Great stories/memories folks.

Was it the Jelly Piece Club that started in Castlemilk?

Will need to ask about to see if anyone I know has any old photos.


alex, still going strong

http://www.jeelypiececlub.org.uk/
mr.underwood

Timewarp

dickyheart,Please,Please explain!!How can you have  a posting timed at 5:00p.m. when it's still only 4:16p.m. Did you finally get that De Lorian running?
mr.underwood

DOH!

dickyheart,mea culpa,looking at the wrong dial on My DeLorian.Fuel gauge empty,time for a coffee.Pax
tekno_tatts

Small Request and Saying Hello

Stumbled across this site by accident via google this morning and I've been sat sifting through it all afternoon. Excellent site. Was wondering if anyone has any old pictures of the Castlemilk/Croftfoot/Rutherglen areas. Came across a few of Castlemilk so far but there's that much content on here I can see it taking me ages to search through it all. Not sure if requests are the done thing on this forum but I thought I'd chance my arm anyway, apologies if it's not.

Keep up the excellent work, this site truly is a gem.
fastnet

Welcome to the site tenko_tatts.

Here is a link to the castlemilk thread.

You can also use the search button at the top of the page to look for other threads.

http://urbanglasgow.co.uk/ftopic1668-0-asc-0.php
tekno_tatts

Thanks

Thanks
Stuball

I tekno_tatts and welcome to UG

Just to keep things tidy, I'm going to merge your request here with the Castlemilk thread :)
Alex Glass

to Urban Glasgow tekno_tatts

This thread was started to to try and encourage more from this part of Glasgow. Hopefully there will be more as the thread develops.
joyce

Welcome to the site tekno_tatts..hope you enjoy it  
hillmanimp

Re: Small Request and Saying Hello

tekno_tatts wrote:
Stumbled across this site by accident via google this morning and I've been sat sifting through it all afternoon. Excellent site. Was wondering if anyone has any old pictures of the Castlemilk/Croftfoot/Rutherglen areas. Came across a few of Castlemilk so far but there's that much content on here I can see it taking me ages to search through it all. Not sure if requests are the done thing on this forum but I thought I'd chance my arm anyway, apologies if it's not.

Keep up the excellent work, this site truly is a gem.


hi tekno

Perhaps not quite what you are looking for, but the closest I've got.  No date on the back of the pics but sometime 70-71, looks like winter time.

Carmunnock Road near Carna Drive.  I think the car is in a drivewaye of Kings Park school.




Just above Carna Drive



View from Carmunnock Road along Aikenhead Road




Mansion in Kings Park




Regards

Imp
joyce

Hi Imp, Great you had some pics. Were you from castlemilk than ?
hillmanimp

joyce wrote:
Hi Imp, Great you had some pics. Were you from castlemilk than ?


Hi Joyce

No I wasn't from Castlemilk, but from Toryglen.

I knew the whole area quite well because I loved walking and used to walk all over the place, and as I had a school mate who lived in one of the streets near to Kings Park school I went up there quite often.

Also in the school holidays in the summer of 67 I worked in the wee Galbraiths up from Glenacre Terrace.  There was also a large Galbraiths in the shopping centre.  I think I visited it about twice.

I have just looked at Google maps and the row of shops doesn't seem to be there any more.

Are (or were) you from Castlemilk?

Imp
joyce

Hi Imp,
        I was brought up in Castlemilk left there around 1978.
        Enjoyed my childhood in Castlemilk x
Jock58

Hi all
Here's an old photo of my Aunt & Dad.
Not sure the exact address but she lived in Croftfoot.
I suppose looking up the hill it would be all developed now.
I think at to the right of the houses at the back there was a roundabout that led up to Castlemilk.



Jock58
joyce

Hi Jock,
         Yes you would be right there is a roundabout up there...and it has all changed so much
cybers

Backgarden of Croftfoot Road bravo  
weesue

Hi Guys
I have just joined this web forum tonight and have been in the Glasgow in the 70's section. I have been directed here because I was one of the founder members of the Castlemilk History Group...

I was born in the Gorbals and moved to Castlemilk when I was 4 and stayed there for 36 years, now for the past 10 years I have lived back in the New Gorbals... (See if you can work out my age from all that then... lol lol)
The History group is no more but I still have a passion and enthusisim to know more about Castlemilk. Our group ran out of funding... Same old story, we became a victim of our success...
Anyway I have tried to start a web site on MySpace about Castlemilk History... Here is a link... http://www.myspace.com/castlemilk
If I get anything else that I can post I will, and if anyone has any questions, I will do my best to answer...
There are links on the myspace page with youtube videos that I uploaded about the History and an archalogical dig that we achieved in 91.
Here is the first video...



You will hear me talking first... Hope you enjoy it...
Catch up soon guys...  
weesue

Castlemilk 1955



The field that you see at the very bottom of the photo is leading into Fernhill and that is where "The-Hole-In-The-Wall is... It is actually now called "Fernhill Place" but very few know it as that... The old castle and pond is about the Mid bottom right of the picture.
Mitchell hill/dougrie and bogany high-rise flats were not built yet...
weesue

This is a photo I took in 1991 when the old Stable Block attached to the Castle was still getting used as a Plant Nursery...
weesue

This was a photo taken during WW2
Castlemilk house was owned by the corporation but during the war years it housed evacuees from Guernsey.

All Boys...  
Flash1974

weesue wrote:
Castlemilk 1955



The field that you see at the very bottom of the photo is leading into Fernhill and that is where "The-Hole-In-The-Wall is... It is actually now called "Fernhill Place" but very few know it as that... The old castle and pond is about the Mid bottom right of the picture.
Mitchell hill/dougrie and bogany high-rise flats were not built yet...


I've got this one down as 1959 - puttin up my stash, with a little help from one or two guys on here, Streapadair for one  
weesue

Hi Flash
Can't be absolute about dates, can't even remember where I got this one... Many years ago...  
So I have to go with what I've got... You may be right of course...
weesue

The New Stables

The New refurbished Stable Block.






The Clock Tower Restored


The Clock Tower from inside the Courtyard


The Old Hayloft - Now Office Space.


Stables Original Feature Window Looking out to Machrie.


Jimmie Stuart Stevenson, The last Laird of Castlemilk's Great Grandson Came over from Washington DC for the Opening...


The Magnificant Fireplace that used to grace the main entrance hall of the Castle. It depicts the Battle of Orleans in which two of the Stirling Stuart brothers were killed.


The Old ruins of the original Towerhouse of the Castle.


L to R. James Stevenson Hamilton, Edward De-Plumpton Hunter James Stirling Stuart, back on the throne... lol lol  


One of the conference rooms.


Inside the courtyard.


Here's a link to The Glasgow Building Preservation Trust on the Stables
http://www.gbpt.org/projects/castlemilk.html
rotten milk

i remember the 'hole in the wall', when i went to stay in the milk in 1989 - uni of strathclyde had the whole of scarrell terrace as student accomodation - the street running along the edge of the green bit there was tormusk road, with the shops at the top.

in my day it was a straight bit of road between the fernhill road and tormusk road. if you stayed there it meant an easy way through from getting a strathclyde 14/14A which stopped on the fernhill road. my most abiding memoy of tormusk road was getting the magicbus no.20 either to there or from there. guaranteed to be flying faster than was necessary by the time you stuck your arm out for the ex-LT routemaster!

actually, in 1989,  remember the ads in the bus were for changes to the service to heathrow airport! and they were at least 2 or 3 yrs out of date then!

the magicbus no.20 ran from st.enoch, up carmunnock rd., round by mitchellhill flats, down tormusk, then along. the drivers were fearless!

incedentally, to get from scarrel/tormusk, you either went up to the bit of road, or you crossed a wild bit of terrain, on top of which there are now houses. the scarrel 'streets' are all now nice lego houses.

p.s. when i stayed there, the rent to the uni was £12.15 pw (bills extra)
Flash1974

Here's a pile of images and news cuttings all to do with Castlemilk


The sources are Glasgow City Archives, The Rutherglen Reformer, The Daily Record, Evening Times, Scotsman, Aerofilms, The former Scottish Office, Streapadair, Andy Miller, Myself and a book called The Streets of Glasgow, not forgetting Secret Scotland on the web

I will add my own pictures to this post as I get around to scanning them, as to keep them in date order and if I do come across any more oldies, I will slot them in appropriately.


Enjoy  



Carmunnock Road at Manse Brae - 1929



Carmunnock Road (Croftfoot Garage) - March 1935



Croftfoot Road before there was a roundabout - March 1940



Linn Park - May 1946



Proposed Layout of Castlemilk - January 1953



Ardencraig Road at Tormusk Road - October 1954



Ardencraig Road from Castlemilk Drive (Glenwood) - October 1954



Dougrie Drive at Castlemilk Drive - April 1956



Glenacre Drive at Castlemilk Drive - April 1956



Carmunnock Road at Arnprior Road - July 1956



Dougrie Road at Dougrie Terrace - March 1957



Glenacre from Linn Park Golf Course - September 1957



Birgidale Road - March 1958



Ardencraig Road - March 1958



Ardmaleish Road at Lenihall Drive and Ardmaleish Crescent - March 1958



Machrie Road - March 1958



Raithburn Avenue - September 1958



Stravanan Road - March 1959



Castlemilk (Stravanan and Birgidale) - 1959



Dougrie Flats Scale Model - 1961



Construction of Dougrie Flats at Dougrie Place - September 1962



Construction of Dougrie Flats (Glenacre Quadrant in the background) - Winter 1962-63



New Shopping Centre (Rutherglen Reformer) - March 1964



Castlemilk Gang Wars (Rutherglen Reformer) - March 1964



Living on The Fringe (Evening Citizen) - November 1965



Mitchellhill Flats (With a Bit of Bogany and Dougrie Flats) - September 1970



Castlemilk Day Out on Cathkin Braes - Around May 1971



Castlemilk Drive at Dougrie Drive - June 1971



St Margaret Mary's Secondary and Dougrie Flats - June 1972



Dunagoil, Stravanan, Ardmaleish, Bogany Area - June 1972



Dougrie, Glenacre, Cavin, Machrie & Barlia Area - September 1972



Castlemilk Drive from Barlia Street - February 1974



Barlia Drive - February 1974



Aikenhead House (Kings Park) - December 1975



Castlemilk (East End) and Glasgow from The Cathkin Braes - April 1976



Cathcart Castle Prior to Demolition (Linn Park) - November 1977



Hospital Street (No37) - 1978



Stockwell Street (No5) - April 1978



Victoria Road (No14) - May 1978



No22 Plunges Into "The Valley" off Carmunnock Road (Daily Record) - March 1980



Howard Street (No33) - July 1980



Dixon Street (No74) - August 1981



Castlemilk Road - January 1983



Carmunnock Road - September 1984



Glenacre Drive - 1987/88



Castlemilk Drive (Glenwood Secondary) - 1987/88



Grange Secondary - 1987/88



Castlemilk Shops 1 - July 1989



Castlemilk Shops 2 - July 1989



Bogany Terrace (Outside "The Hilton") - July 1989



Stravanan Old BMX Track - August 1989



Downcraig Terrace at Downcraig Drive - August 1989



Backcourt of Downcraig Terrace and Downcraig Drive - July 1989



1-5 Ardmaleish Crescent - May 1992



7-11 Ardmaleish Crescent - May 1992



Carnbooth (World War II Anti-Aircraft Battery) next to Blaeloch and Holmbyre at High Netherton Farm - April 2008


Hopefully others will add to the thread  
Doorstop

I don't really know Castlemilk all that well but those are a wonderfully collated set of images. Very much of their time.

Cheers for that Flash.
cybers

Aye wis nice to witness a photo of ladies day at the Linn Gowf course...
weesue

Wow Flash a right blast from the past eh!  
cybers

Sorry sue but your nom de plume reminded me of this... and the Oasis NSFW

James

Crackers Flash1974.  



James H
weesue

Cybers

gallowgategal

Being an Easterhouse girl myself (prior to being a gallowgategal  ) I don't know Castlemilk all that well but really enjoyed looking at these photos  

Does anyone know of any similar images taken of Easterhouse at that time  
chateau du lait

Hi guys as you can tell by my name I am a resident of Castlemilk and have been for 34 of my 39 years.
Heres a few photos I dont think have been on this thread. Im not sure where they came from to be honest so apologies and credit to anyone who recognises them.Nice thread.
This was Ardencraig Crescent, nicknamed Babyland due to the high proximity of - you guessed it, babies there. I reckon this must have been late 80s but im open to contradiction....



This is Ardencraig Street at Ardencraig Quad, that corner T Close was used by community groups before it got renovated, think Ardenglen HA were in it at somepoint as well. ( thanks for the info and location Flash 74)




This is Arnprior Street and everything you see is now demolished , its one of those ghost streets you see in Glasgow schemes where all thats left are the pavements and the lamposts, the street exists in name only .



Im sure I have more Castlemilk pics on my other pc, Il need to have a look. Id like to stress again they werent taken by me, I just thought it would be nice to share them on here.[/img]
Stuball

The middle picture is hooooooge! Got smaller version per chance?
chateau du lait

Apologies for that, I resized it there, first time ive ever resized a pic, I never knew what to do before So as well as being a great forum you have just given me a computer lesson
Jagz1876

weesue wrote:
Hi Flash
Can't be absolute about dates, can't even remember where I got this one... Many years ago...  
So I have to go with what I've got... You may be right of course...


The date on your photo is correct sue. I was born in 1957 at home (17 Ardencraig St). In your photo, only the evens side of the street had been built. I trust this settle's the date debate.
Flash1974

Jagz1876 wrote:
weesue wrote:
Hi Flash
Can't be absolute about dates, can't even remember where I got this one... Many years ago...  
So I have to go with what I've got... You may be right of course...


The date on your photo is correct sue. I was born in 1957 at home (17 Ardencraig St). In your photo, only the evens side of the street had been built. I trust this settle's the date debate.


If Castlemilk was all built and shiny in 1955 - how come it took only two years to build a whole scheme from a plan released in January 1953???

How come Raithburn and Drakemire are in the top right-hand side of the aerial pic from which the date is questioned, yet a picture from the Evening Times in 1957 shows a view from Linn Park with Raithburn and Drakemire still non-existant which I have supplied in this thread. I may also add the pictures of Castlemilk Drive under construction in April 1956 as reported by The Rutherglen Reformer which are also featured on here as well.

Aerofilms actually took the pictures and the Herald had used one to cover a story about Castlemilk after completion of the tenement stock - this story was printed, think it was August 1959 off the top of my head!

Above all, no one is disputing the fact you were born in Ardencraig St back in 1957 Jagz, that part of the scheme was realtively new (if you notice, both sides of Ardencraig Street are up and running in the pic). At that time in 1957, Birgidale and Downcraig were being constructed and Holmbyre and Drakemire were still to be built. The rest of the scheme was up and running (Glenacre, Dougrie, Machrie, Tormusk and Ardmaleish) with the first tenants having moved into Arnprior Quad back in December 1954.
Flash1974

chateau du lait wrote:
Hi guys as you can tell by my name I am a resident of Castlemilk and have been for 34 of my 39 years.
Heres a few photos I dont think have been on this thread. Im not sure where they came from to be honest so apologies and credit to anyone who recognises them.Nice thread.
This was Ardencraig Crescent, nicknamed Babyland due to the high proximity of - you guessed it, babies there. I reckon this must have been late 80s but im open to contradiction....



This is the corner of Tormusk Road and Ballantay and just about looks onto the hole-in-wall.Again I reckon late 80s.




This is Arnprior Street and everything you see is now demolished , its one of those ghost streets you see in Glasgow schemes where all thats left are the pavements and the lamposts, the street exists in name only .



Im sure I have more Castlemilk pics on my other pc, Il need to have a look. Id like to stress again they werent taken by me, I just thought it would be nice to share them on here.[/img]



Cheers Chateau - the middle pic tho - its Ardencraig Street at Ardencraig Quad, that corner T Close was used by community groups before it got renovated, think Ardenglen HA were in it at somepoint as well
27stowst

Cybers,
Jagz1876

Flash1974 wrote:
Jagz1876 wrote:
weesue wrote:
Hi Flash
Can't be absolute about dates, can't even remember where I got this one... Many years ago...  
So I have to go with what I've got... You may be right of course...


The date on your photo is correct sue. I was born in 1957 at home (17 Ardencraig St). In your photo, only the evens side of the street had been built. I trust this settle's the date debate.


If Castlemilk was all built and shiny in 1955 - how come it took only two years to build a whole scheme from a plan released in January 1953???

How come Raithburn and Drakemire are in the top right-hand side of the aerial pic from which the date is questioned, yet a picture from the Evening Times in 1957 shows a view from Linn Park with Raithburn and Drakemire still non-existant which I have supplied in this thread. I may also add the pictures of Castlemilk Drive under construction in April 1956 as reported by The Rutherglen Reformer which are also featured on here as well.

Aerofilms actually took the pictures and the Herald had used one to cover a story about Castlemilk after completion of the tenement stock - this story was printed, think it was August 1959 off the top of my head!

Above all, no one is disputing the fact you were born in Ardencraig St back in 1957 Jagz, that part of the scheme was realtively new (if you notice, both sides of Ardencraig Street are up and running in the pic). At that time in 1957, Birgidale and Downcraig were being constructed and Holmbyre and Drakemire were still to be built. The rest of the scheme was up and running (Glenacre, Dougrie, Machrie, Tormusk and Ardmaleish) with the first tenants having moved into Arnprior Quad back in December 1954.



Flash, i don't know how long it took to build castlemilk. All i do know is that the buildings on the side of the street that i was born in have not been built in this photo. My family moved in August 1956, so this photo will be 1955. The Raithburn/Drakemire area, just south of croftfoot roundabout that you refer to. cannot be seen from this photo.
Flash1974

Jagz1876 wrote:
Flash1974 wrote:
Jagz1876 wrote:
weesue wrote:
Hi Flash
Can't be absolute about dates, can't even remember where I got this one... Many years ago...  
So I have to go with what I've got... You may be right of course...


The date on your photo is correct sue. I was born in 1957 at home (17 Ardencraig St). In your photo, only the evens side of the street had been built. I trust this settle's the date debate.


If Castlemilk was all built and shiny in 1955 - how come it took only two years to build a whole scheme from a plan released in January 1953???

How come Raithburn and Drakemire are in the top right-hand side of the aerial pic from which the date is questioned, yet a picture from the Evening Times in 1957 shows a view from Linn Park with Raithburn and Drakemire still non-existant which I have supplied in this thread. I may also add the pictures of Castlemilk Drive under construction in April 1956 as reported by The Rutherglen Reformer which are also featured on here as well.

Aerofilms actually took the pictures and the Herald had used one to cover a story about Castlemilk after completion of the tenement stock - this story was printed, think it was August 1959 off the top of my head!

Above all, no one is disputing the fact you were born in Ardencraig St back in 1957 Jagz, that part of the scheme was realtively new (if you notice, both sides of Ardencraig Street are up and running in the pic). At that time in 1957, Birgidale and Downcraig were being constructed and Holmbyre and Drakemire were still to be built. The rest of the scheme was up and running (Glenacre, Dougrie, Machrie, Tormusk and Ardmaleish) with the first tenants having moved into Arnprior Quad back in December 1954.



Flash, i don't know how long it took to build castlemilk. All i do know is that the buildings on the side of the street that i was born in have not been built in this photo. My family moved in August 1956, so this photo will be 1955. The Raithburn/Drakemire area, just south of croftfoot roundabout that you refer to. cannot be seen from this photo.



Jagz

I have supplied a copy of the picture myself which I went and scanned from my purchased original copy




I have shaded the areas that are the subject of the debate - (Ardencraig Street showing both sides of the street is shaded purple and Raithburn is shaded in yellow)

Yes, my mums family moved into Ardmaliesh Crescent in April 1957 and lived there till March 1991 - I do remember my grandfather telling me that when he first moved in, Stravanan was still being built as was Birgidale and Downcraig.

The development of the scheme took 5 years to build starting in the summer of 1953, with just over 9,000 houses covering such a vast area beginning at Arnprior then finishing off at Raithburn and Drakemire in the summer of 1958.

Hope my info helps
chateau du lait





Cheers Chateau - the middle pic tho - its Ardencraig Street at Ardencraig Quad, that corner T Close was used by community groups before it got renovated, think Ardenglen HA were in it at somepoint as well[/quote]


Hi Flash, You are correct, I can see Ardencraig Road Fives in the background having looked again.Well spotted!
Flash1974

Doorstop wrote:
I don't really know Castlemilk all that well but those are a wonderfully collated set of images. Very much of their time.

Cheers for that Flash.


Alright there Doorstop - Cheers for that

The Ardmaleish Pictures taken in 1992 are my own images, they were scanned directly from negative to a flatbed scanner and this was the result after removing stains and bits of dust - but not the best of quality.

I have stacks upon stacks of images of Castlemilk during the period of transistion and as soon as I get a negative scanner in my possession - I will go nuts haha

Flash1974

chateau du lait wrote:




Cheers Chateau - the middle pic tho - its Ardencraig Street at Ardencraig Quad, that corner T Close was used by community groups before it got renovated, think Ardenglen HA were in it at somepoint as well



Hi Flash, You are correct, I can see Ardencraig Road Fives in the background having looked again.Well spotted![/quote]

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Glad to be of assistance Roi du Château  
Jagz1876

Hope my info helps[/quo

Flash, if the orignal photo had been as clear as the one you posted i would have seen my old house immediatly. Sorry for doubting you. Viva Chateaulait.
Flash1974

Jagz1876 wrote:
Hope my info helps[/quo

Flash, if the orignal photo had been as clear as the one you posted i would have seen my old house immediatly. Sorry for doubting you. Viva Chateaulait.



Glad to be of assistance Sir

I try to be as informative as possible, most of my dates come from directly from the stable of official sources as I obviously wasn't about back then haha

Hope you liked the pile of images and press cuttings I put up in a timeline on this particular thread - more to come when I get a scanner

I think Weesue's copy might have been a reproduction of the the image I posted as I remember The South East Area Arts Office in Castlemilk at the time (1995) producing multiple photocopies which were much larger than the 10x8 image I have put up on here - probably as big as A3 size - maybe Weesue can confirm that one

weesue

Flash1974 wrote:

I think Weesue's copy might have been a reproduction of the the image I posted as I remember The South East Area Arts Office in Castlemilk at the time (1995) producing multiple photocopies which were much larger than the 10x8 image I have put up on here - probably as big as A3 size - maybe Weesue can confirm that one



You are right Flash! I have since scanned and copied my copy of the photo as I don't know where the original ended up.
All the Castlemilk History artefacts were left in the hands of the Arts office and now there is no Arts Office, we don't know where all the History stuff is???

Castlemilk's Development to the best of my knowledge goes like this:-
Most of the Castlemilk Estate was bought by the then "Glasgow Corporation" in 1935, planning for the new housing scheme did not begin until the 1940's.
The years from 1935-55 were an interlude in the history of Castlemilk during which the area remained a rural backwater but without the dominating influence of a Laird.
When Castlemilk estate was purchased the Glasgow City boundaries were soon extended south and eastward to include it. Originally 6250 houses were visualised, with a portion reserved for slum-clearence. By November 1941 more detailed plans had been prepared for this, the largest of all the municipal housing schemes, which was to cover an area of almost two and a half square miles. Although drawings and models were ready in 1944, it was not until 1953 that work actually began on the site. By that time a huge development of 8300 houses at an estimated cost of £16m was envisaged. Sketch plans for the layout of Castlemilk were approved in 1952.
12 years of planning which took place before Castlemilk was started.
The first tennants moved in, in December 1954.
I think 'Babyland' was so called as it was one of the last lot of houses to be built in the Castlemilk Housing Scheme...
Alex Glass

Sue maybe all the material was transferred to the Mitchell Library.

They may have boxes of stuff from the arts office in storage. Maybe worth asking someone at the Mitchell
joyce

Brill...Just had a look back from beginning to end of this...wish someone had more on Tormusk Road end of Castlemilk, any sites I pop onto seem to be the other end of Castlemilk, I lived on the hill looking downt to Kyle Square Shops right beside the Chapel...hope some one knows of photos somewhere on that area?[/url]
cybers

Little something i took at the weekend
cybers

weesue

Lovely picts cybers... I luv the one of the Stables... Brilliant, Thanks for sharing...
Electric Monk

Excellent pictures - just found this website today, and thought I'd join. I moved to Castlemilk 3 years ago so I've not experienced growing up in it, but it's certainly interesting to see what it was like before (I live in the Tormusk Road area, just at the statue of the boy with the binoculars).
joyce

Just at the hole in the wall. I lived at the first close in Tormusk Road number 3, was brought up there and moved to Govanhill late 70s.
Been in Rutherglen 23 yrs now.
Mc Ewanlass

I moved to Tormusk Drive in December 1956, when the houses were first built. Attended both Braeside & Glenwood until I moved again to Easterhouse six years later. To me Castlemilk was the greatest place to grow up with the best "adventure playground" in the city to play in ie the woods lol
Electric Monk

Flash1974 wrote:

Carnbooth (World War II Anti-Aircraft Battery) next to Blaeloch and Holmbyre at High Netherton Farm - April 2008


Could someone point out where this is to me on Google Maps or something? I love ruins, old or new(er), but it's hard to spot them even on OS maps and the like, and often little hidden ruins exist only in the knowledge of people from the area. I tried looking for the areas of Carnbooth, Blaeloch and Holmbyre but I couldn't even find High Netherton Farm :(
cybers

The road starts right at the carmunock end of holmbyre
http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=55...96&z=17.3&r=0&src=msl
Electric Monk

Ahh that's cool, thanks. I was looking on Google Maps in totally the wrong place
dickyhart

cybers wrote:
The road starts right at the carmunock end of holmbyre
http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=55...96&z=17.3&r=0&src=msl


thanks for that cybers, ive always fancied a wee nosey round there too.
cybers

Passed it today looks to all intents and purposes pikey filled...
Thought there was some bylaw in place that said these areas can be used for grazing and not for habitation.
Stuball

Thats pikies for you
AlanM

Stuball wrote:
Thats pikies for you


read that as pixies first time round  
joyce

Does anyone have any photos of the Tormusk Road end of castlemilk? Have not seen many around any sites I visit.
Garyt

Hello all just found this page   lived at 8 machrie rd most of my days. i attended Braeside then Glenwood 80-84
cybers

Hello Gary Hows Robt ?
Garyt

Hello, Cybers Robert is fine. Working hard as usual.
May

Moved to Downcraig Road in 1958 down at the Birgidale Rd end. Remember my mammy and I went to ballot for the house we were to move into. All who were to move had to meet in the back.  Each house key was labelled with the close number 1, 3 & 5 and then the flat number ground floor r/h etc. After the ballot there was plenty of swapping and changing.
Garyt

Here is a pic from my old house

fastnet

That looks cold Gary.

Great image though.....
cybers

Exactly as i remember that view  
bigdave2k3

hi there would anyone have old pictures of downcraig rd? think every street in castlemilks here apart from mines :(
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