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johnmcn

Coliseum up in flames

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8066723.stm

Seen the smoke coming from it this morning on the way to work..
Looks like it will have to be demolished
Stuball

well of course that was going to happen
cybers

As soon as a building is added to this Register for Scotland Buildings at Risk list i think it should be fireproofed.
Marti

Another of glasgow's old cinemas destroyed by the fire bug... It will be demolished tommorow, Eglington St will remain closed all night in preparation for the impending event...
James




James H
Stuball

I cant help find this really suspicious... the building was sealed up solid
CROWN 182

Asoloutely gutted.Another piece of Gorbals history gone.
Marti

Some pics of the utter devastation...







fastnet

Such beautiful architecture ruined in hours.

A real shame for everyone ...
Stuball

Are we going to get a proper investigation or is it just going to be demolished and forgotten about?
Marti

Seems there will be a meeting with all relevent partys including the underground people, roads people, building inspectors and council chieftains tommorow (tuesday) morning with the intention of demolition the building as it is unsafe. A demolition team are already on site, and the whole area has been properly fenced off.
One consolation is that the actual red sandstone tower may be saved.
I plan to spend much of the day watching what happens as i live 2 mins away and will endeavor to take some more pics for posterity.
Really gutted (pardon the pun) that this building is in the state it's in...
James

Stuball wrote:
Are we going to get a proper investigation or is it just going to be demolished and forgotten about?

It's just going to be demolished and forgotten about. It's hardly the first time
that this will have happened. I smell sh!te.



James H
Spitfire

Marti wrote:
Some pics of the utter devastation...



Nice to meet you today Marti   Thanks for the link
Stuball

james73 wrote:
Stuball wrote:
Are we going to get a proper investigation or is it just going to be demolished and forgotten about?

It's just going to be demolished and forgotten about. It's hardly the first time
that this will have happened. I smell sh!te.



James H


I'm really really outraged by it. The smell of sh!te is overpowering. The building was very well sealed with all the doors blocked well up. There was a locked cage on the front door with a rather large padlock. How did it happen? Looking at the pictures, it looked like it started at the front, although I'm no fire expert. It wasnt even closed that long... would have been that difficult for someone to put it back into action?
Marti

Spitfire wrote:
Marti wrote:
Some pics of the utter devastation...



Nice to meet you today Marti   Thanks for the link

No worries mate, hope you enjoy your time here at UG...
Becky

I was just having a look at it (intact) on google street view. I must have passed it thousands of times but never really looked. Viewing it from the south side there was a lot of unusual features in the architecture. Some of it seemed a bit 'random'. Was the building added to over the years?

Peace.
Marti

Not that i am aware of, although the renovation to the bingo hall did a lot of damage to the interior, and they cut back the original balcony's at some point when converted to the cinerama...

Interior in it's splendour around the 30s...


Credit for this picture, Graeme Smith.
streapadair

Very likely, Becky. It was built as a music-hall theatre (designed by the great Frank Matcham) in 1905, but within 20 years it had been converted to a cinema, which would explain some of the additions, like the projection room. It was the first cinema in Glasgow to show a 'talkie', and in the 1950s it became the first in Scotland to be converted to Cinerama.

Does anyone remember the Coliseum pub just across the road? It had a wonderful collection of photos on the wall, music-hall artistes and film stars attending premieres who had popped in for a quick one after the show.
James

Fear for city’s blaze cinema (Evening Times)



TRAFFIC on Glasgow's South Side was still disrupted after a weekend blaze
which destroyed a historic cinema.


The Coliseum in Eglinton Street is facing demolition after the fire early
yesterday morning.

Firefighters were unable to prevent the building's roof collapsing and the
interior of the building was wrecked. The blaze, reported in yesterday's
Evening Times, caused traffic chaos in the Gorbals area.

Eglinton Street was still closed this morning and cars and buses were
being diverted. Despite the efforts of firefighters who battled the blaze for
more than five hours, a building inspectors' report could condemn the
building to demolition.

The building, which was opened in 1905, was originally a theatre.

It was later adapted as a cinema before it became a County Bingo hall in
the 1980s, but has lain derelict for the past decade.

Strathclyde Fire and rescue said 10 fire crews had attended from Calton
and Polmadie stations.


James H
Becky

streapadair wrote:
Very likely, Becky. It was built as a music-hall theatre (designed by the great Frank Matcham) in 1905, but within 20 years it had been converted to a cinema, which would explain some of the additions, like the projection room. It was the first cinema in Glasgow to show a 'talkie', and in the 1950s it became the first in Scotland to be converted to Cinerama.


Interesting stuff streapadair. Thanks. I had to look up 'Cinerama' which I found interesting too. I never realised that Cinerama was a format. I knew there had been a Cinerama at the corner of Butterbiggins road and vickie road, but I thought it was just a company / trading name.

Loved the interior photo too Marti.

Kinda makes the loss sadder.

Peace.
streapadair

Becky wrote:
I knew there had been a Cinerama at the corner of Butterbiggins road and vickie road, but I thought it was just a company / trading name.



That would have been the Eglinton Toll Odeon. I remember seeing Kramer v Kramer there around 1980. You're right, it was known as the Cinerama at one time, maybe the name stuck in popular parlance, but I don't think it was ever equipped to show real Cinerama films.

http://www.scottishcinemas.org.uk/glasgow/bbcinerama.html
Becky

That was interesting again streapadair. I didn't realise that there was a cinema building there as late as 1986. I used to go into town every saturday with my dad, but we always went down Cathcart Road. There used to be a little tropical fish shop in govanhill where they built the doocut style millenium thing along from the old wooden Church. I never moved to Govanhill until 1997, by then the cinema was long gone. I enjoyed the link to the photos, they were a bit sad though - the cimema must have brought a lot of joy to many people over the years.

Peace.
Marti

A lot of standing about today...must have been a long meeting...
norrie

I am another one who was waiting on this to happen, I wonder if they will find any thing untoward in the fire.
I doubt if there was ever any intention of this cinema being used again.

Marti good photos, I am hoping to get some photos tomorrow.
I should be there tomorrow, just need to get an empty flat in Norfolk Court, I worked there for years.
Bye for now, norrie
Marti

norrie wrote:
I am another one who was waiting on this to happen, I wonder if they will find any thing untoward in the fire.
I doubt if there was ever any intention of this cinema being used again.

Marti good photos, I am hoping to get some photos tomorrow.
I should be there tomorrow, just need to get an empty flat in Norfolk Court, I worked there for years.
Bye for now, norrie


I was talking to one of the police officers on monday and they were a bit concerned as to the wearabouts of certain individuals unaccounted for...

Do a trade with you, i'll do the close up shots, you do the high up shots...

And if they do knock it down, i wonder if there is any chance of them peeling off that monstrosity of a facade to unviel whats left of the original...



...i know they liked to renovate buildings, but FFS, to hide a beautiful front with cladding...  
norrie

Hi marti, I am into photographing cinemas, and that was not unusual to clad the front with sheeting.
Ok I will do the high shots but if you live nearby, let me know when they start the demolition.
I stay in Rutherglen and can get there quick enough.
I wondered how you got your shots, a wee bit of height, methinks taken from a tenement closeby???
I know of a Glescapal who lives around that area.
Bye for now, norrie

PS is it Ok to copy and paste your photos to a thread I have started on glescapals???
I will of course credit them to you.
Marti

Hi norrie, yes ofcourse you can copy the pics, no problem...

Was round at the site again thismorning still no futher forward.
norrie

Hi marti,I  was able to get up as high as level 18 Norfolk Court, this morning but I couldnt get any better shots than you have already.
I have still to download them and may well post them anyway.
I would appreciate it if you  hear of any demolition, to let me know.
Thanks for the use of your photos.
Bye for now, norrie
norrie

Taken today from level 18 Norfolk Court.
Best shots I could get from behind the cinema
Bye for now, norrie



Taken today from level 18 Norfolk Court




Taken from Cook st Eglington st today

James

Great pics norrie.



James H
Spitfire

Here's some more pics fellas









James

 Great pics Spitfire. Sadly, it looks like demolition is the only option.  



James H
John

The longer it takes the more hope there is for saving some of it, the tower looks not too bad in the pics so maybe that`s something they are considering.
norrie

I thank you kind sir
Bye for now, norrie
norrie

Hi spitfire, good shots, how did you get the height?
Bye for now, norrie
cybers

Fireman perhaps ?  
norrie

Hi cybers, I never thought of that
Bye for now, norrie
Spitfire

norrie wrote:
Hi spitfire, good shots, how did you get the height?
Bye for now, norrie


It helps to have one of these

James

Fire-hit street shut for weeks (Evening Times)



A BUSY road closed to traffic when fire ripped through a historic Glasgow
theatre is likely to be shut for weeks.


On Monday an inferno destroyed the Coliseum in Eglinton Street, causing
the roof to collapse and wrecking the building's interior. The blaze in the
Gorbals landmark forced the closure of Eglinton Street, one of the busiest
routes into the South Side.

The road is still closed between Cook Street and Norfolk Street - and
Glasgow City Council says it is likely to remain shut for several weeks.

A spokesman said fire and police crews were still investigating the cause
of the blaze and nothing could be done until their investigation ended.

Council bosses are trying to trace the owner of the Coliseum to find out
what action he will want to take.

Privately, council insiders say the building is so badly damaged it is
almost certain to be demolished.



James H
nodrog

Quote:
Council bosses are trying to trace the owner of the Coliseum to find out what action he will want to take.

Ha. They had the same problem tracing him when the building was left unsecured and being lived in a couple of years ago; took them a week or so to get it properly secured again then.

It would be good to save the tower, but I doubt anyone will care enough to try. Not only is the the original facade, hidden behind the nasty metal cladding, rather nice as mentioned above, but the tower had good painted glass windows as well...

http://canmore.rcahms.gov.uk/en/details/903132/

There's more history, and other interior pics of the building at various points in its history here:
http://www.scottishcinemas.org.uk/glasgow/coliseum/

As for the other Cinerama, in Butterbiggins Road, this was the BB Cinerama, later Odeon Eglinton Toll, which opened in 1922, and had nothing to do with cinerama as a film format, predating its development by several decades!
http://www.scottishcinemas.org.uk/glasgow/bbcinerama.html

Nodrog
Becky

nodrog wrote:
It would be good to save the tower, but I doubt anyone will care enough to try. Not only is the the original facade, hidden behind the nasty metal cladding, rather nice as mentioned above, but the tower had good painted glass windows as well...


Hi Nodrog,

Aye it would be a shame to lose it. I bet if it was on the other side of the river they would be pulling out all tyhe stops to recover and retain the facade. I hope something can be done. Like I said, I never appreciated or even had much of a look at the building before.

I really enjoyed looking at your pictures of the interior. I had a joiner friend who worked for county bingo in their maintenance, so I bet he saw all manner of cool nooks and crannies hidden from the bingo worshipping public. The treasures revealed in the 1987 and 2006 interior shots made me realise what a real loss the fire has been. There must be hundreds of buildings in glasgow with lots of cool sh|t hidden by plasterboard, suspended ceilings and false floors.

I was wondering, the 2006 shots made the place look like it was being stripped out. Was there a plan for the place that fell through?

Peace.
Spitfire

Becky, the best one I've seen for nooks and crannies is the citizen theatre. Really interesting place.
Becky

Spitfire wrote:
Becky, the best one I've seen for nooks and crannies is the citizen theatre. Really interesting place.


I haven't been in the citizens for over twenty years. The last two things I saw were 'The Gorbals Story' and 'The Celtic Story'. I'm not sure about the former, but I'm fairly sure the latter was in 1988.

The Gorbals Story was awesome. I had a crush on one of the actors... ah to be ypung again! I think the Celtic story was good too, but it was more of my dad's sort of thing.

Peace.
nodrog



Some demolition work has started at the stage end of the building as of late this afternoon...


Quote:
I was wondering, the 2006 shots made the place look like it was being stripped out. Was there a plan for the place that fell through?


I think when County closed it, they stripped it of everything that might have been useful for their other bingo halls. There's never been any particular other use for the building mooted publically as far as I know.
By odd coincidence, a lot of the pictures of the interior came from someone that used to work for County's maintenance department :)
Stuball

Is that demolition or more of a collapse?

btw, nice to see you on here nodrog
nodrog

Stuball wrote:
Is that demolition or more of a collapse?

btw, nice to see you on here nodrog


There was a big demolition crane thingy parked just round the corner, so I suspect the former!

Thanks. It's taken me a while to get here, but it seems a nice place, so I'll stick around...
Stuball

You might be interested in this thread about the La Scala, Hamilton

http://urbanglasgow.co.uk/about789.html
Marti

The culprit of the inevitable... ...

norrie

Hi nodrog, you turn up in many sites, nice to see you again.
Bye for now, norrie
nodrog

Lunchtime today:






The boxy bits at the side, with the blocked up windows, were indoor waiting areas for patrons waiting to get in to get a seat. It was considered something of a luxury not to have to wait outside in the Glasgow rain! There were separate waiting areas in different parts of the building for the differing areas of the auditorium.

Becky

Jeezo! Any news / rumours / hearsay on whether the facade can be saved?

Peace.
BrigitDoon

I took these last year:

Late evening sunlight, Saturday 19th June:





James

Sadly, the wrecking crue are on site.  



James H
Stuball

It's all coming down :(

Bumped into Marti this afternoon and he's already spoke to the demolition team. He'll probably tell you more than I can but from what I understand, they are pulling the facade down backwards into the building footprint
Becky

Damn. Thats a real shame. I bet the site will be sold now for buttons and as soon as the economy picks up there will be flats. :(

It's not going to give much of a chance for finding any evidence of the culpit either.

Peace.
Marti

Stuball wrote:
It's all coming down :(

Bumped into Marti this afternoon and he's already spoke to the demolition team. He'll probably tell you more than I can but from what I understand, they are pulling the facade down backwards into the building footprint


Nice to meet you & dave...

I spoke to one of the wrecking crew and suggested they try and peel away the sheeting at the front to expose the original frontage which has not been seen since the 60s.
It would be great to get some pictures before it disappears forever.  
John

That is a shame if it all goes, it wasn`t the greatest building in the world, but it was a bit of our heritage and I hoped at least the tower would survive.

Don`t blame the demo guys, they are just doing their job
Spitfire

With the city fathers trying to encourage using alternative transport, my guess is that they will try to expand the current car park for the UG especially as the new motorway is passing close by. Same as they've done at sheilds road.  
Stuball

I'm not so sure about an expanded car park... I think its more prime real estate with the future 'new gorbals' being built after the demoltion of the high rises.
norrie

I am not so sure that there will be houses built on the site, well not for some time.
From what I have been told the site where Stirlingfaulds Place stood was supposed to have housing on it but that has been put back for now.

Sad to see The Coliseum coming down but I think most of us thought it would end that way.
Good photos nodrog, I got a couple yesterday by from the subway side.
I wont post them, you have it well covered.
Bye for now, Norrie.
norrie

Hi folks, the demolition is well under way.
Taken monday by myself
Bye for now, norrie







Stuball

From friday

CROWN 182

Spitfire wrote:
With the city fathers trying to encourage using alternative transport, my guess is that they will try to expand the current car park for the UG especially as the new motorway is passing close by. Same as they've done at sheilds road.  

Thihk you could be right,the site becoming a multi storey car park.Is it not already in the redevelopment plans albeit not on the 'Coli' site?
nodrog







norrie

Hi nodrog, its moving pretty slow right enough.
I may pop down on Friday.
Bye for now, norrie
James

Final curtain as cinema to be demolished after blaze (Evening Times)



A HISTORIC Glasgow theatre and cinema has been so badly damaged by fire
it will have to be demolished.


The blaze ripped through the Coliseum in Eglinton Street last week, causing
the roof to collapse and wrecking the interior of the listed building. Council
bosses have been in touch with the Coliseum's owner, who has been told by
building experts it is no longer safe and must be flattened.

But the site of the inferno is still being treated as a crime scene and will not
be handed back until the investigation is complete.

Owners of listed buildings have to get permission from Historic Scotland before
they can demolish them. However, local authorities have the power to give
the go-ahead to flatten a listed building if it is unsafe.

The chip shop and newsagent that made up part of the Coliseum building were
forced to close as a result of the fire. They are still closed and will be flattened
along with the rest of the building.

Eglinton Street, one of the busiest routes to the South Side, has been closed
since the early morning fire on May 25. A city council spokesman said the need
to demolish the building meant the road was likely to remain closed for at least
another three weeks.

The Coliseum opened in 1905 as a music hall with seating for almost 3000 people,
but began showing films full-time in 1925. It was the venue for the city's first
screening of a talking picture, in January 1929.

It closed as a cinema in 1980, and lay empty for years. In 1986 it was listed
Category B by Historic Scotland.

The building reopened as a bingo hall in 1987 but closed in 2003 and has been
derelict since. It changed ownership in early 2006, and in September 2006, the
council had to draw up an Urgent Repairs notice to ensure it remained wind
and watertight.



James H
Stuball

james73 wrote:

The chip shop and newsagent that made up part of the Coliseum building were
forced to close as a result of the fire. They are still closed and will be flattened
along with the rest of the building.


Oh, come on! Thats a single storey building that doesnt even join to the main building. Surely.... SURELY can be saved
cybers

Sorry no it stands in the way of filthy lucre...
The school is earmarked for a mystery weekend too ...  
norrie

Hy cybers, what school, St johns?
Bye for now, norrie
cybers

Sorry Norrie,
I was being sarcastic but it is the only thing apart from a great transport link holding up some luxury regeneration of the area.
Who knows if it turns out to be housing then the school might be reprieved.
norrie

Cybers, the school is being used a a training facility for the building trade.
That wont last forever as there are plans for housing on the Stirlingfauld and Norfolk Court sites .
From what I can remember the school will be demolished and the area made into gardens.
I am hearing now, the building work in that area is on hold because of this credit crunch, plus, throw this into the pot, another set of High rise flats that had at least 10 years life left in them, may well have to be brought down sooner rather than later.
Who knows when a brick will be laid for Social Rented Housing and Private Housing.
Bye for now, norrie
norrie

Hi folk, I took these photos today.
I reckon it will be a couple of weeks before the site is cleared.
Bye for now, Norrie



Marti

Taken today...



fastnet

Is it just me or is that a really sad picture ???

Well captured Marti.
norrie

Good shots marti , looks as if we may never see the original frontage.
Bye for now, norrie
Fjord

I passed it today sans camera unfortunately and the original facade has now been exposed revealing the soot blackened stonework. I don't suppose anyone on here managed a pic of it?
Marti

Taken thismorning, before it disappears forever...


norrie

Hi marti, well done, just as well you are handy.
The facade doesnt look much, pity we couldnt have seen it years ago.
Bye for now.
nodrog

Did anyone manage to get a photo of the frontage with the corrugated iron taken off, but when there was more left to see of the upper portion than this morning?

Fjord

Cheers for the photo Marti  


nodrog wrote:
Did anyone manage to get a photo of the frontage with the corrugated iron taken off, but when there was more left to see of the upper portion than this morning?



The whole frontage was still intact around 9pm lastnight with the large stone carved Coliseum similar to the one that adorned the side of the building it was rather impressive. They must have demolished it first thing this morning before Marti got there. Glad I got a brief look at it while it lasted.
Marti

They must have been at it early doors, as i was round taking the pics at 8.30ish...wanted to see it too...
nodrog

Evening Times: Going, Going Gone

Quote:
He said that while public safety issues were paramount, the building had "resolutely failed to collapse" into the street in the three weeks that Eglinton Street was closed. "There would have been plenty of time, if the will had been there, to have propped up the frontage while the rest of the building was demolished, and retain that for any future redevelopment, as has been done successfully elsewhere."


http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/new...ar.2514410.0.going_going_gone.php


:)
nodrog

Coliseum Cinema Past Present special...


Picture courtesy of the Scottish Screen Archive at the National Library of Scotland


Picture Courtesy of Chris Doak






Picture courtesy of Steven Parkes

norrie

Hi folks, here are some photos I took on the 13th of June
You would hardly know what stood here.

The last photo is of two policemen questioning a bloke, who as far as I can make out was stripping out catering equipment from the chip shop that was also demolished.
Of course it could be the owner but some one called the cops ;D
Bye for now, Norrie.








Stuball

I still dont see why the fast food shop has to be pulled down
norrie

Hi stuball, as far as I am aware th shop was suppsed to be Ok, perhaps some accidental damage from the demolition    
I would have thought all the fittings would have been taken from the shop before the demolition got too close.
Nice clean site now, no problems in sitting tenants
Bye for now, norrie
Becky

The Last Variety Show

BBC Scotland (iPlayer):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00lh5bb/The_Last_Variety_Show/

I just heard on the Radio, a comedy / drama which was entitled 'The last variety show'. It was billed as a drama about the decline of music hall in the sixties. HOWEVER... as it was set in the Coliseum and made many references to the theatre, I can't help but see it as a wee tribute by F'N'G to the theatre itself, which is why I posted the link in this thread. It had a star studded cast too.

Enjoy!
Becky

Was there ever a cause of the fire determined?

Cheers.
dickyhart

arsonists i understand
Stuball

Mice with matches
Robert Pool

1917 Programme

norrie

Hi robert pool, fancy programme right enough
Bye for now, norrie
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