
ex-tobester
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Commemorative PlaquesA thread for commemorative plaques that are in and/or around Glasgow, be it in memory, an opening a celebration of some sorts, pop yours in here.
To commemorate the men and women of the City Of Glasgow Police Force, on the wall at the corner of the tron theatre
One on the outskirts in South Lanarkshire
At the entrance of my work in Morrisons Cambuslang
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Alex Glass
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I will need to review some of my photos I am sure I have a couple of Blue Circles that appear on the Hutchieson Hospital Building.
Will they fit the bill Tobester?
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wee minx
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Re: Commemorative Plaques | tobester wrote: |
At the entrance of my work in Morrisons Cambuslang
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I had to read that again tobester, I honestly thought is said this
That would be a big capsule then!
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glasgowken
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Never seen that before, nice one tobester. I especially like the representation of the helmet badges.
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Alex Glass
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Hutchesons' HallHutcheson's Hall Designed by David Hamilton and built in 1802.
Merchant City Trail
Europa Nostra Award
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AlanM
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That'll do nicely
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Smartalex
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There's this old one on the Old Education Bus that's left to rust in Shawfield:-
This one here:-
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scallopboy
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It's pretty busted up
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Alex Glass
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Big Eck Do you think anyone would notice if you took it off
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Smartalex
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Don't think so.
At least it's not riveted on.
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ex-tobester
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A few more....
In the Uni
he was bloody young to get into the uni, bet he got swirlies every monday morning (dunks)
Again the Uni
A plaque (the pic it depicts is on my flickr site)
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glasgowken
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Dunfermline fire station.
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Alex Glass
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There were plaques placed on a variety of building in many parts of the city as part of heritage trails.
Charles Rennie MacIntosh
Alexander (Greek) Thompson
Merchant City
Govan
Springburn
There are discussions ongoing to place some new plaques as part of a Cultural Trail and a renewed Heritage Trail.
Anyone interested in locations of some of the old plaques let me know.
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Stuball
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The Merchant City plaques combined with the 'Obscure History' booklet is great... a really good read. Got copies of it at the hotel.
Thats the only one I think though... I'll check later when I skulking in the corner away from CCTV reaches
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Alex Glass
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I am trying to get hold of copies of some of the Heritage Trails at the moment.
There is a new Heritage Trail being launched for Langside at the Glasshouse in Queens Park at 10.30 on 24th October.
Would love to see the Obscure History booklet if you can get any copies or let me know if it was produced by the Council and I will see if they have any copies.
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Stuball
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There is a couple of them left so I've shoved one in my bag for you. It appears to be produced by the GCC
Ahhhh, here is a link to the pdf version... CLICKY
You'll enjoy reading it.... it's told in the order you are meant to tour the plaques in.
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Alex Glass
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Thanks Stuball (Like the name change)
I know that some plaques may not still be in place. I will check my list and let you know if there are any within the Merchant City Trail that are missing.
Away to read the booklet.
Thanks again.
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Stuball
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The hotel also has THIS ONE but its not so interesting.... I've bagged you a copy of both for next time we meet (try remind me before hand)
Thats the only glasgow 'trail' leaflets/booklets in the rack which is a bit disapointing really.... we don't choose what goes in the racks though... the rack is owned by 'Direct Distribution' and they choose what goes in it. Buggers can come and tidy it up more often cause I'm sick of doing it! (One of these thigns that really annoy me and I end up with leaflets all over the place while I reorganise everything and remove expired material)
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glasgowken
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| Big Eck wrote: | Don't think so.
At least it's not riveted on.  |
Take the front panel for me while you're at it, eh?
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Alex Glass
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| Stuball wrote: | The hotel also has THIS ONE but its not so interesting.... I've bagged you a copy of both for next time we meet (try remind me before hand)
Thats the only glasgow 'trail' leaflets/booklets in the rack which is a bit disapointing really.... we don't choose what goes in the racks though... the rack is owned by 'Direct Distribution' and they choose what goes in it. Buggers can come and tidy it up more often cause I'm sick of doing it! (One of these thigns that really annoy me and I end up with leaflets all over the place while I reorganise everything and remove expired material) |
See what you mean Stu
Over done it with the graphics.
There is an increase in the interest in this type of leaflet I am going to discuss it with someone in the Council to see if they could bring them all together in a book.
More also needs to be done to get them out to the most relevant points. There is one for the Bellahouston Heritage Trail in the City Chambers. I will pick up a copy for anyone interested.
Go here for electronic copies of all
Glasgow Heritage Trail Leaflets
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ex-tobester
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From the Govan Wander yesterday....Govan Press buildings (courtesy of AG )
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Alex Glass
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Govan Heritage TrailGovan Heritage Trail
1. Govan Underground Station
2. Aitken Memorial Fountain, Govan Gross
3. New Govan Parish Church, 784-796 Govan Road
4. Doomster Hill
5. Water Row
6. Bank of Scotland, 816-819 Govan Road/1-3 Water Row
7. Pearce Institute, 840-860 Govan Road, 1-3 Water Row
8. Cardell Halls and Public House, 801-805 Govan Road/2-4 Burleigh Street
9. Govan Old Parish Church, 866-868 Govan Road
10. St Anthony's RC Church, 831 Govan Road
11. Lyceum Cinema, 908 Govan Road/McKenzie Street
12. Former Fairfields Shipyard, 1048 Govan Road
13. Elder Park - Statues and Monuments
14. Elderpark Library, 228A Langlands Road and Elder Park Street
15. Hill's Trust School, Golspie Street
16. Former Glasgow Savings Bank, Govan Road/Broomloan Road
17. Former Police Station and Municipal Buildings, Orkney Street
18. Napier House, 638-648 Govan Road/Napier Street
19. Govan Press (Cossar) Building, 577-581 Govan Road
20. Govan Graving Docks, 18 Clydebrae Street
21. Govan Town Hall, 401 Govan Road
Oval Bronze Plaques should be found at 1, 3, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 14, 16, 19 and 21.
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Alex Glass
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Charles Rennie Mackintosh Heritage TrailCharles Rennie Mackintosh Heritage Trail
1. 140 and 142 Balgrayhill, Springburn
2. The Glasgow Herald Building, Mitchell Street/Mitchell Lane
3. Martyrs Public School, 11 Barony Street/Parson Street, Townhead
4. Glasgow School of Art, 167 Renfrew Street
5. Queen’s Cross Church, 870 Garscube Road
6. Ruchill Church Hall, 26 Ruchill Street
7. Former Daily Record Building, Renfield Lane and St Vincent Lane
8. The Willow Tearooms, 217 Sauchiehall Street
9. Scotland Street School, 225 Scotland Street
10. The Mackintosh House. 82 Hilhead Street
11. Former Lady Artists Club, 5 Blythswood Square
12. Kelvingrove Art Gallery and Museum, 1 Kelvingrove Park
13. House for an Art Lover, Bellahouston Park
14. Craigie Hall, 6 Rowan Road
15. 2 Firpark Terrace, Dennistoun
16. 6 (formerly No 2) Regent Park Square, Strathbungo
17. 15 (formerly No 27) Regent Park Square, Strathbungo
Rectangular Plaques should be found at all locations with the exception of no2.
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Alex Glass
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Alexander ‘Greek’ Thomson Heritage TrailAlexander ‘Greek’ Thomson Heritage Trail
1. St Vincent Street UP Church, 261 St Vincent Street
2. Grecian Chambers, 336-356 Sauchiehall Street
3. 107 West Regent Street
4. 99-107 West Nile Street
5. Grosvenor Building, 72-80 Gordon Street
6. Egyptian Halls, 84-100 Union Street
7. Buck’s Head Building, 63 Argyle Street
8. 41-53 Oakfield Avenue
9. 42 Bute Gardens, Lilybank House
10. Northpark Terrace, 35-51 Hamilton Drive
11. The Sixty Steps, Kelvinside Terrace West
12. 1-11 Great Western Terrance
13. Westbourne Terrance, 21-39 Hyndland Road
14. 1-10 Moray Place, Strathbungo
15. ‘Ellisland’ 200 Nithsdale Road, Pollokshields
16. ‘Castlehill’ 202 Nithsdale Road, Pollokshields
17. 336 Albert Drive, Pollokshields
18. ‘The Knowe’ 301 Albert Drive, Pollokshields
19. ‘The Double Villa’ Mansionhouse Road
20. 2-38 Millbrae Crescent
21. ‘Holmwood’ Netherlee Road
22. 265-289 Allison Street/19-23 Garturk Street/34 Daisy Street
23. 1 Caledonia Road, former Caledonia Road UP Church
24. 1-8 Walmer Crescent and 1,3,5a,5b Cessnock Street
Circular Bronze Plaques should be found at all locations with the exception of 3, 7 and 23.
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Alex Glass
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City Centre Heritage TrailCity Centre Heritage Trail
1. City Chambers, 80 George Square
2. Hutchesons’ Hospital, 158 Ingram Street and 2 John Street
3. Former City and County Buildings, Ingram Street/Hutcheson Street/Wilson Street/Brunswick Street
4. Trades House, 79-89 Glassford Street
5. Virginia Mnsion, rear of Corinthian, Virginia Place
6. Virginia Court, rear of 37-47 Virginia Street
7. 42 Miller Street
8. Gallery of Modern Art, 111 Queen Street, Royal Exchange Square
9. 1-29 and 2-40 Royal Exchange Square
10. Former Royal Bank of Scotland (rear of Borders Books), Royal Exchange Square
11. 91 Buchanan Street, formerly Miss Cranstons’ Buchanan Street Tearooms
12. Argyle Arcade
13. St Enoch Square, St Enoch Underground Station
14. Former Gardner’s Warehouse, 36 Jamacia Street and 10 Midland Street
15. Central Station Viaduct
16. Egyptian Halls, 84-100 Union Street
17. ‘Ca D’Oro’ Building 122-136 Union Street and 41-55 Gordon Street
18. Grosvenor Building Gordon Street
19. Central Station and Hotel, Gordon Street
20. ‘The Hatrack’ 144 St Vincent Street
21. Scottish Amicable Building, 150 St Vincent Street
22. St Vincent Street UP Church, 261 St Vincent Street
23. Blythswood Square
24. Grecian Chambers, 336-356 Sauchiehall Street
25. Glasgow School of Art, 167 Renfrew Street
26. Glasgow Film Theatre, 12 Rose Street
27. Willow Tearooms, 217 Sauchiehall Street
28. Lion Chambers, 170 Hope Street
29. St George’s Tron Church, 163 Buchanan Street
30. Royal Faculty of Procurators, Nelson Mandela Place
31. Glasgow Stock Exchange, 153-159 Buchanan Street/63-77 Nelson Mandela Place
32. Clydesdale Bank, 30 St Vincent Place
33. Merchants House of Glasgow, George Square/West George Street
Oval Bronze Plaques should be found at the following locations 1, 4, 6, 8, 14, 16, 20, 22, 31 and 33.
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ex-tobester
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Id start a new thread for these Alex and maybe James or Allan could sticky it for us.
They look good wanders
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Alex Glass
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I had thought about that Tob but as they refer to plaques I thought it would be best to keep to your topic.
If it is felt they should be moved I will wait before posting up the next batch which includes Cathcart, Springburn, Carmunnock, Merchant City and Gorbals.
I am still typing them up as i am using a paper copy to work from.
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Gap74
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There was a Glasgow Theatres Trail produced in 1990 as part of the City of Culture events, produced by Glasgow University's Theatre dept. There were a fair few plaques put up on theatres and theatre sites, but most of them just have the wooden backing now, the metal plate with the text and drawings having long gone.
Last I looked, examples which still had the text included the entrance to St Enoch Centre behind the Buck's Head Building, and next to the Ann Summers shop in Sauchiehall St.
Used to be one in Central Station Low Level, just at the top of the escalators too, but I'm not sure I've seen it for a while.
I've a scan of the accompanying leaflet, can post it up if anyone is interested.
Gary
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Alex Glass
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Yes Gary I would be interested.
Post it up it sounds like the plaques suffered the same fate those on some of the other heritage trails.
There are discussions taking place within the Council and I would be happy to pass the information from your leaflet on to someone who is dealing with this and who supplied me with the lists I have posted.
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Stuball
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Yeah, stick it up gap.... the thread can be a directory to them all
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Alex Glass
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Cathcart Heritage TrailCathcart Heritage Trail
1. Couper Institue, 84-86 Clarkston Road
2. Cathcart South Church, 90-92 Clarkston Road
3. Site of Thornbank House
4. New Cathcart Church, 212-214 Newlands Road
5. The Holm Foundary, 147-149 Newlands Road
6. Site of the Geddes Carpet @ Dye Works
7. Holmlea Public School, 352-362 Holmlea Road
8. Cathcart New Bridge, Holmlea Road/ Clarkston Road
9. Cathcart Cyrcle, Cathcart Station
10. Edith Cottage (demolished)
11. Site of the Parish Manse (demolished)
12. Site of the Parish School (demolished)
13. Old Cathcart Parish Church Tower, 118 Carmunnock Road
14. Old Cathcart Graveyard, 118 Carmunnock Road
15. Cathcart Village Smiddy, 123-131 Old Castle Road
16. Castle Mains Farm, 123-131 Old Castle Road
17. Court Knowe
18. Site of Cathcart Castle
19. Site of Millholm Paper Mill
20. ‘Holmwood’ 63 Netherlee Road
21. Linn House, 20 Linn Park
22. The ‘Halfpenny’ Bridge, Linn Park
23. Site of Cathcart House (demolished)
24. The Netherlee Road Bridge
25. The Snuff Mill and Mill House
26. Lindsay House
27. Site of Granny Robertson’s
28. Holmhead House, 7 Rhannan Terrace
29. Garden Suburb
Oval Bronze Plaques can be found at 1, 2, 4, 13, 25 and 26.
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Alex Glass
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Carmunnock Heritage TrailCarmunnock Heritage Trail
1. Carmunnock Parish Church, Kirk Road
2. Carmunnock Parish Church Churchyard, Kirk Road
3. The Old Post Office, 11 Kirk Road
4. The Manse Estate and Glebe
5. 9 and 11 Manse Road
6. The Village Greens, 1 Greenside
7. Greenside, 1 Greenside
8. The Old School, Waterside Road
9. The Clason Hall, Waterside Road
10. Site of Smiddy
11. The Old Boghead Inn, 107 Waterside Road
12. The War Memorial
13. Castlemilk Hall, Waterside Road
14. 2 & 4 Kirk Road
15. 8 & 8A Kirk Road
16. The Crossroads
17. 8 & 10 Busby Road
18. Bankhead Farm
19. Wellside
20. Crag Lodge, Kirk Road
21. Pathhead Cottages
22. Brae House, 32 Kirk Road
23. Trestermyre, 26 Kirk Road
24. 22-24 Kirk Road
Oval Bronze Plaques can be found at 1, 2, 6, 7, 14, 15 and 17
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Alex Glass
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Springburn Heritage TrailSpringburn Heritage Trail
1. Former Springburn Library and Museum, Atlas Square
2. Site of Hyde Park Locomotive Works
3. Lodge Kenmuir, Vulcan Street
4. Hyde Park Primary School, Ayr Street
5. Springburn Collage, Flemington Street – former HQ of North British Locomotive Company
6. William Teacher’s Bonded Warehouse, Flemington Street
7. Site of Campbellfield Pottery
8. The Hype Park Works Gate
9. Calvary Pentocostal Church, Atlas Street
10. Former Springburn Fire Station, Keppochhill Road
11. Site of Springburn Trans Sheds, Keppochhill Road
12. Springburn Public Halls, Millarbank Street
13. Gourlay Street
14. Cowlairs Co-operative Society, Cowlairs Road
15. St Aloysius Church, 6 Hillkirk Street
16. Cowlairs Co-operative Fountain
17. Red Road Flats
18. Springburn Railway Station, 150 Springburn Way
19. Sighthill Cemetery Gates, Springburn Road
20. Sighthill Flats
21. St Rollox House, 130-140 Springburn Road, former St Rollox Works office building
22. Balgrayhill
23. Balgray Tower, 62 Broomfield Road
24. 140-142 Balgrayhill Road
25. Balgrayhill Road
26. Springburn Park, including ornamental column and statue of James Reid
27. Mossfield House, 100 Belmont Road
Oval Bronze Plaques can be found at 1, 5, 12, 15, 19, 21 and 27.
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Gap74
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OK, I'll just link to the scans rather than post the actual images, cos they're quite big and I can't really make them any smaller without rendering the text illegible.
The plaques themselves had a short textual history as per each entry in this leaflet, as well as the line drawing usually.
Glasgow Theatres Trail 1990
Page 1
Page 2
Page 3
Page 4
Page 5
Page 6
Page 7
Page 8
Page 9
Page 10
Page 11
Page 12
Page 13
Page 14
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Alex Glass
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Well done Gary
Looks good and will read it all later.
Do you know if any of the plaques survive?
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Alex Glass
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On Glasgow Bridge
At the Ramshorn Graveyard
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Gap74
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| Alex Glass wrote: |
Do you know if any of the plaques survive? |
Not many - the Empire one I think is still there, next to Ann Summers in Sauchiehall St, and although it's been a while, I seem to recall the Theatre Royal Dunlop St one was still on the wall next to the doors of the St Enoch Centre - the entrance round the back of WH Smith. Oh, and the Old Athenaeum in Buchanan St still had one, although the scaffolding went up on that this week, so it may not survive the conversion to retail.
Most of the others exist only as the small wooden panels which held the plaque - there's one next to the closed Burger King in Sauchiehall St (the Royalty/Lyric), one on the derelict General Accident building behind the Odeon (The Princes/Circus) and one on the side of a warehouse in Watson St, which was the Queen's/Star.
It'd be nice to see these restored, and indeed, to have the info updated - the entry in the leaflet for the Queen's/Star doesn't even mention the disaster there which killed 14 people in 1884:
http://www.scottishcinemas.org.uk/glasgow/startheatre.html
Gary
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Alex Glass
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Thanks Gary
I will mention this the next time I am talking to the people involved with the project and see if they have given consideration to include this trail in their plans.
I will post up the last of the lists I have.
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Alex Glass
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Merchant City Heritage TrailMerchant City Heritage Trail
1. Hutchesons’ Hall, Ingram Street
2. Former John Street Church, John Street/Cochrane Street
3. Italian Centre, John Street/Ingram Street/Cochrane Street
4. Former Sheriff Court, Ingram Street/Wilson Street/Hutcheson Street/Brunswick Street
5. Police Box. Wilson Street
6. Ingram Square, Ingram Street/Brunswick Street
7. Ramshorn Church, Ingram Street
8. City Halls & Markets, Candleriggs
9. Cafe Gandolfi/Cheese Market/Arta, Albion Street
10. Babbity Bowser, Blackfriars Street
11. Tollbooth, Glasgow Cross
12. Tron Teatre
13. Former City of Glasgow Bank, Trongate
14. Former Britannia Music Hall, Trongate
15. Former National Bank of Scotland, Trongate/Glassgord Street
16. Virginia Court, Virginia Street
17. Warehouse, 61-65 Glassgord Street
18. Trades House, 79-89 Glassford Street
19. Former Glasgow (Trustee) Savings Bank, Ingram Street/Glassford Street
20. ‘Corinthian’, 191 Ingram Street
21. GOMA, Queen Street/Royal Exchange Square
22. Tobacco Merchants House, 42 Miller Street
23. Merchants House of Glasgow, 30 George Square/7 George Street
24. City Chambers, George Square
25. St Andrew’s in the Square, St Andrew’s Square
Only some of the buildings have plaques they can be found at 1, 3, 6, 7, 8, 9, 16, 18 and 24.
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Alex Glass
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Gorbals Heritage TrailGorbals Heritage Trail
1. Calton Suspension Bridge, Carlton Place-Clyde Street
2. Carlton Place
3. South Portland Street
4. 21-25 Carlton Court, former stables and warehouse
5. 20-22 Bridge Street, Former Commercial Bank
6. Bridge Street Station, 36-54 Bridge Street
7. 63-67 Bridge Street, former Saving Bank
8. 144-150 Norfolk Street/71 Bridge Street
9. The Coliseum Theatre, 79-97 Eglinton Street
10. Former New Bedford Cinema, 121 Eglinton Street
11. Gorbals Parish Church, 1 Cumberland Street
12. Railway Arches, Cumberland Street Station
13. Wellcroft Place, off Eglinton Street – Sir Hugh Robertson
14. Former Eglinton Congregational Church (demolished)
15. Abbotsford Primary School, 129-131 Abbotsford Place
16. St Andrew’s Works, 1997-243 Pollokshaws Road
17. Former Chalmers Free Church, 98-100 Pollokshaws Road
18. Caledonia Road Church, 1 Caledonia Road
19. The Citizens Theatre, 119 Gorbals Street
20. Gorbals Cross
21. The New Sheriff Court
22. Glasgow Central Mosque and Islamic Centre, Gorbals Street
23. Victoria Bridge
24. Albert Bridge
25. Former Adelphi Terrace Public School, 85 Adelphi Street
26. Florence Street (Birthplace of Benny Lynch)
27. Florence Street Clinic
28. Blessed John Duns, former St Luke’s RC Church, Ballater Street/Commercial Street
29. Commercial Street/Waddell Court
30. Commercial Road/Ballater Place
31. Former Cotton Mill, 187-203 Old Rutherglen Road
32. Gorbals Burial Ground, Old Rutherglen Road
33. Queen Elizabeth Square high flats (Basil Spence-demolished)
34. Hutchesontown Parish Church (demolished)
35. St Francis RC Church and Priory, 405-407 Cumberland Street
36. The Southern Necropolis, 316 Caledonia Road
37. Dixon’s Blazes
38. St Bonaventure’s RC Church (demolished)
39. Former Hutchesontown District Library, 192 McNeil Street
40. St Andrew’s Suspension Bridge
Only one plaque can be found and it is located at 13.
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Alex Glass
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Known Privately Erected Plaques and StonesKnown Privately Erected Plaques and Stones
1. 12 Moray Place – Home of the architect H E Clifford
2. 33 Fotheringay Road- Birthplace of the pioneer aviator Jim Mollison
3. 7-9 Nicolas Street-Site of the home of the poet Thomas Campbell
4. 71-79 Renfield Street, 48-50 West Regent Street-Celebrating the residence of Thomas De Quincy (1882/3)
5. Martyrs Stone, Martyrs Church, St Mungo Avenue-stone commemorating the martyrdom of 3 Covenanters
6. Shawbridge Arcade/McArthur Street, Pollokshaws-John Maclean memorial stone
7. Tron Theatre Walls, Trongate/Chisholm Street- Establishment of City of Glasgow Police Force
8. Tara House, Renfield Street/Bath Street-William Harley, pioneer of civic facilities. Site of baths water tanks and dairies (1804-09)
9. City Halls, Candleriggs-John Maclean (1879-1928) spoke here
10. Ramshorn Church, Ingram Street- John A MacDonald (1815-1891) born in the area of Brunswick Street
11. Former National Savings Banks, Trongate/Glassford Street-Site of Shawfield Mansion where Charles Edward Stuart resided in 1745
12. Argyle Arcade, Buchanan Street Entrance- indicating the arcade opened in 1827
13. 10 Woodside Crescent-Sir William Jackson Hooker, Professor of Botany lived here
14. 17 Woodside Place-Home of Joseph Lister (1827-1912)
15. Montrose Street/Ingram Street-site of original Glasgow School of Art
16. 38 Trongate-Site of workshop of James Watt, (!763)
17. St Andrew’s Suspension Bridge-South side-Details of construction, date, dimensions
18. 8 Great Western Terrace- Sir William Burrell lived here (1902-27)
19. Glasgow Royal Infirmary, Castle Street-Site of surgical wards where Joseph Lister pioneered the use of antiseptics
19 areas where plaques or stones can be found not part of any heritage trail.
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Alex Glass
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Inside Glasgow Central Station
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Alex Glass
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A few examples of the various Heritage Trail plaques throughout the City.
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Alex Glass
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One more. It was difficult getting a good shot there was a transit parked in front of this plaque when I whent to get a photo.
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Fjord
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That's quite a comprehensive list you've compiled Alex, didn't realise there was so many.
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Alex Glass
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That's the advantage of having a list Fjord.
These are all round about the City Chambers so I just collected them over a couple of days. It is amazing how you can pass a building every day and not notice it has a plaque.
Whilst I was taking the photos of the plaques I also took some photos of the buildings. So I am now looking for a suitable thread to put them on.
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Fjord
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I'll be keeping a look out for them, cheers
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wee minx
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I can't remember exactly where I saw it .. but its in that general area.....on the ground. 175 might be a clue
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Alex Glass
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Nice find Minx.
Strange that it doesn't appear on the Merchant City Heritage Trail list given the reference on the plaque.
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Stuball
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It belongs to the Merchant City Obscure History trail and is the very first plaque on the trail... Plaque 'A'
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Alex Glass
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The Hat Rack, St Vincent Street
Westergate, Argyle Street
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Alex Glass
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A Time Capsule
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ex-tobester
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On the wall at Balloch Castle
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Alex Glass
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The Red Police Box, Merchant City
Prince Charlie's House
Candleriggs Public Realm
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Len Scaps
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[quote="Alex Glass"]
Prince Charlie's House
At the risk of being a pedant, Shawfield Mansion wasn't actually "Prince Charlie's House", he only stayed there as a guest between December 1745 and January 1746. So that plaque is a bit like the attempts to rename Prestwick Airport Elvis Presley International.
Shawfield was, at that time actually the property of Colonel William M'Dowall of Castle Semple. It was later purchased by John Glassford of Dugaldston, after whom the street that replaced it was named.
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glasgowken
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| Alex Glass wrote: | The Red Police Box, Merchant City
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Coo, didn't know there was anything to see inside the box now, i'll have to take a peek.
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Alex Glass
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LS
I don't think the plaque is wrong it does say he stayed there. It may be that by use of the term his house was stretching it a bit. Sorry if i wasn't exact in my description.
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Len Scaps
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| Alex Glass wrote: | LS
I don't think the plaque is wrong it does say he stayed there. It may be that by use of the term his house was stretching it a bit. Sorry if i wasn't exact in my description. |
It was the plaque I was having a go at, Alex not you. It gives the impression he lived there, but It's poetic licence at best. It's like saying someone resided in Spain just because they went to Benidorm for a week one year!
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Alex Glass
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Is it any different from some other things we commemorate? The Oak Tree in Darnley is not old enough to have been about at the time of Lord Darnley and Mary Queen of Scots. But it is a great hook to an interesting story.
If it attracts attention to Glasgow is it not a good thing?
After all is it a lie to say he resided in a house. Many places commemorate the fact that Rabbie Burns spent a bit of time there. It may be good business to attract some tourists to an area by association.
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cybers
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| Alex Glass wrote: | Is it any different from some other things we commemorate? The Oak Tree in Darnley is not old enough to have been about at the time of Lord Darnley and Mary Queen of Scots. But it is a great hook to an interesting story.
If it attracts attention to Glasgow is it not a good thing?
After all is it a lie to say he resided in a house. Many places commemorate the fact that Rabbie Burns spent a bit of time there. It may be good business to attract some tourists to an area by association. |
How the devil could Burns bash about the country supposedly from west to east and never make it to Glesga...
Did he go to the follies and pull a dog and so they just ripped that page out !!!
Surprised he got any writing done with all the podgerin he was supposedly doing.
Peotic licence ... A description of anything to make dosh from deed people
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Len Scaps
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| Alex Glass wrote: | Is it any different from some other things we commemorate? The Oak Tree in Darnley is not old enough to have been about at the time of Lord Darnley and Mary Queen of Scots. But it is a great hook to an interesting story.
If it attracts attention to Glasgow is it not a good thing?
After all is it a lie to say he resided in a house. Many places commemorate the fact that Rabbie Burns spent a bit of time there. It may be good business to attract some tourists to an area by association. |
Perhaps, but it is a tenious association at best. He was only there for a few days, surely our city must have more claim to fame than Prince Charlie having spent 10 days staying in a pal's house. It's not as if the folk of the city exactly rallied to his cause, only one solitary Glasgow man joined Stuart's army on it's march north and it's highly likely that he did so only to escape his debts!
I'd rather see David Dale commemorated for the work he did for Glasgow and New Lanark. It would have been nice to see his house saved rather than it being torn down to make a car park.....
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It is one small plaque amongst many. Some are posted here but there are lots of others throughout the city.
Whilst I respect your opinion I really don't see what the problem is with having a plaque to mark the place where one of Scotland's historical figures stayed for a couple of days.
I agree we should have something to commemorate David Dale. Do you have any suggestions LS? Maybe we could start a campaign to have his contribution to the city recognised.
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| Alex Glass wrote: | It is one small plaque amongst many. Some are posted here but there are lots of others throughout the city.
Whilst I respect your opinion I really don't see what the problem is with having a plaque to mark the place where one of Scotland's historical figures stayed for a couple of days.
I agree we should have something to commemorate David Dale. Do you have any suggestions LS? Maybe we could start a campaign to have his contribution to the city recognised. |
I'm not objecting to the plaque itself, Alex, it relates to an important part of Scots' history, just to the wording. I wonder how many tourists have seen it and gone away with the assumption that Prince Charlie actually lived at Shawfield?
Are there no plaques or anything to the memory of David Dale in the city already? If not then that is quite an oversight and yes, in that case a wee campaign to get him recognised would be a good idea.
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Alex Glass
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LS
I have posted all the information that I have on a variety of heritage trails throughout the city on previous pages of this thread. I don't recall any mention of David Dale.
Extract from Central Glasgow An Illustrated Architectural Guide
David Dale 1739-1806
Couthy, astute, tubby and generous; businessman, banker, developer, mill owner, and lay preacher, David Dale built himself the largest house in Charlotte Street in 1783, a street which he, with canldemaker Archibald Paterson, had cause to be built on the site of abandoned St James Square. Originally a journeyman from Stewarton, Ayrshire, Dale became a dealer in, and then considerable importer of linen yarn.
In 1783, he brought Richard Arkwright to Scotland, with whom he founded New Lanark (his eldest daughter later married Robert Owen). His business interests included thread works, dye works, coal mining, the Royal Bank of Scotland, and mills in Perthshire and Lanarkshire. He was on of the founders of Glasgow Chamber of Commerce. His generosity and contribution to poor relief and flood relief were legendary. For all his success, he remained a couthy Scot-someone, one could hazard, that Sir Walter Scott had in mind when creating Bailie Nicol Jarvie. His girth caused great mirth. When explaining to a friend that he had fallen 'all his length' on ice the friend replied: 'Be thankful, Sir, it was not your breadth!' He is buried in the Ramshorn kirkyard."
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An interesting little snippet about Dale- at the time of the Highland clearances a ship bound for America with emigrants from Skye was forced to return to Scotland by very bad weather. Dale was at the time looking for workers for his mills at New Lanark and persuaded them all to come and work for him there.
The bell from the ship, carrying the inscription "Hagarston, Washington County, Lutheran Congregation, Glasgow - Maryland 1786." now resides there too and can be seen atop "New Buildings".
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Alex Glass
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Maybe we should start a new thread dedicated to David Dale.
See what other Glasgow related stories there are about him.
How about a plaque in Charlotte Street?
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How about a plaque in Charlotte Street? |
not since they closed the all girls school
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Ingram Street
Royal Exchange Square
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University of StrathclydeUniversity of Strathclyde
Inside the East Building of the City Chambers
It is difficult to get a good photo against the white background. It is the commemorative stone for when the building was constructed.
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King George V Bridge
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Great Western Terrace - former home of William Burrell, designed by Alexander Thompson
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Graham Square
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