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Douglas

Dalmuir Park Pond

Hello, just new here.

Anyway, strange question maybe, but does anyone know how deep the duck pond is in Dalmuir Park??

It's iced over pretty solidly and I've been walking about on it, so was curious.

Thanks.
Alex Glass

Welcome to Urban Glasgow Douglas

Don't have a clue how deep the pond is but sure it won't be that deep but wouldn't risk playing on the ice as any contact with cold water could lead to difficulties.


**********DON'T PLAY ON THE ICE***********
John

Good advice Alex, the ice would need to be 5 foot thick in a 5 foot pond for me to venture on it.
cybers

I would still want a boat  
Douglas

You try telling that to all the numerous curlers playing on frozen ponds and Lochs all over the country right now (of which I'm one).

I'm just curious about it and I'd be able to find out how thick the ice is and judge it from there before even contemplating anything.

I probably wouldn't go for a game/practice, partly due to time and the fact that the snow would need to be cleared off the surface, but if I do, I'll take my thermals and spare clothes, etc, don't worry.

Also, to my past, I've swam in the Clyde and done various boxing day dips, so I know all about cold water.
cybers

Curling you say ....
I am not a light guy so the last thing i would want to do is lug a few big bricks oot there with me regardless of how shiny they were !!!

Never understood the game but its something the ladies are good at i think  
John

This is the kind of story that has put me off going onto frozen ponds etc since I was knee high to a rocking chair...
http://news.aol.co.uk/brothers-di...e/article/20100108221749107847584
cybers

Scary did you see that shocking pictures link in that article with the boy about to hack up that coo   ...

P.S
Welcome To UrbanGlasgow Douglas
Douglas

Aye on a lake without checking how thick the ice is first. This is why I'm trying to find out BEFORE.

Also, as an aside, the Lake of Menteith is between 6 and 7 inches apparently and is deemed to be perfectly fine by the authorities.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that in the 18th and 19h century, 6 inches was enough to support a horse and gun carriage.
Wouldn't like to try it though!!

If you went in there then yes, it WOULD be serious!!
John

cybers wrote:
Scary did you see that shocking pictures link in that article with the boy about to hack up that coo   ...


Aye, just like the old days  
Douglas

I could probably find a news article about someone being attacked by cows (in fact there was one in the metro the other day).  
Alex Glass

Douglas wrote:
You try telling that to all the numerous curlers playing on frozen ponds and Lochs all over the country right now (of which I'm one).

I'm just curious about it and I'd be able to find out how thick the ice is and judge it from there before even contemplating anything.

I probably wouldn't go for a game/practice, partly due to time and the fact that the snow would need to be cleared off the surface, but if I do, I'll take my thermals and spare clothes, etc, don't worry.

Also, to my past, I've swam in the Clyde and done various boxing day dips, so I know all about cold water.


Saw a news story the other day about a competition that hasn't taken place in recent years due to the lack of frozen ponds. If you are out and about any chance of taking some photos to post up Douglas.

I am sure the pond isn't that deep if it is man made.

Good luck with the curling
Douglas

Actually, how similar is this forum to the Hidden Glasgow one??

I was on that ages ago, but I found it a bit boring after a while (actually it was some of the members and I just couldn't be bothered with it all any more).
cybers

Bet we could all guess which members that might have been....
Whilst similar in structure and outlook it is a way way friendlier place
John

Douglas wrote:
Actually, how similar is this forum to the Hidden Glasgow one??

I was on that ages ago, but I found it a bit boring after a while (actually it was some of the members and I just couldn't be bothered with it all any more).


I would go as far as to say this forum is totally different to HG in many ways, for example you won`t be corrected for spelling mistakes and punctuation...as long as it`s legible it will be OK and there is a happy medium here most of the time..ok we have disagreements, but we sort it out and get on with things and most of all we welcome new members like yopurself with open arms.
Douglas

Alex Glass wrote:


Saw a news story the other day about a competition that hasn't taken place in recent years due to the lack of frozen ponds. If you are out and about any chance of taking some photos to post up Douglas.

I am sure the pond isn't that deep if it is man made.

Good luck with the curling


Thanks. I take it you are referring to the Grand Match??

It wasn't the ice that was the problem, it was simply a lack of organisation from the RCCC as regards to the surrounding roads and access (over 2000 curlers from all over Scotland alone were meant to be going). For the biggest, grandest and rarest spectacle in Curling and probably Scottish Sport to be brought down by a lack of organisation and red tape, a LOT of people are not pleased in the slightest about it!! (especially when according to the locals the problems could have been overcome with a bit of gumption).

To be fair, Piper Dam (covered in too much snow) and Loch Leven (not frozen evenly) were the two locations selected, but the Lake of Menteith (where the last GM was in 1979) was most suitable so was brought back into consideration by the RCCC, quite good going considering their official stance about a week ago.

It's well known that quite a few people are planning to go up there and have an unofficial GM anyway (with, hopefully less people, so, ergo, less problem), regardless of what anyone says (you may think this irresponsible, but there are locals involved up there, so with local knowledge thrown in, it shouldn't be too bad).
I'll probably be one of the ones there, so yes, I'll don my thermals underneath my clothes, just in case, like.

I'll take pictures, unless something cataclysmic happens and we all end up in the drink, and I don't mean the Drams either!
cybers

Wonder how many others are now thinking "Pack the SPEEDO'S "
Whilst i dont understand the game i have been known to watch it on occasion and liken it somewhat to flattened freezing bowls.
Probably way way off the mark


So i take it this pond curling whilst the original method is akin to base jumping now.
For the slightly more adventurous.

Best of luck with you tourney official or otherwise  
Stuball

Scary wrote:
Douglas wrote:
Actually, how similar is this forum to the Hidden Glasgow one??

I was on that ages ago, but I found it a bit boring after a while (actually it was some of the members and I just couldn't be bothered with it all any more).


I would go as far as to say this forum is totally different to HG in many ways, for example you won`t be corrected for spelling mistakes and punctuation...as long as it`s legible it will be OK and there is a happy medium here most of the time..ok we have disagreements, but we sort it out and get on with things and most of all we welcome new members like yopurself with open arms.


You spelled 'yourself' wrong
John

Stuball wrote:
Scary wrote:
Douglas wrote:
Actually, how similar is this forum to the Hidden Glasgow one??

I was on that ages ago, but I found it a bit boring after a while (actually it was some of the members and I just couldn't be bothered with it all any more).


I would go as far as to say this forum is totally different to HG in many ways, for example you won`t be corrected for spelling mistakes and punctuation...as long as it`s legible it will be OK and there is a happy medium here most of the time..ok we have disagreements, but we sort it out and get on with things and most of all we welcome new members like yopurself with open arms.


You spelled 'yourself' wrong

Wander what happened there?
   
Douglas

cybers wrote:
Wonder how many others are now thinking "Pack the SPEEDO'S "


Ha ha, see at these Boxing day dip things, you'd be surprised at how many people do do that!!


Quote:
Whilst i dont understand the game i have been known to watch it on occasion and liken it somewhat to flattened freezing bowls.
Probably way way off the mark


Nah, bowls is much more boring, I mean, all you have to do there is throw the bowl down the baise. With curling, not only do you have to get used to being on ice all the time, in order to do it properly, you need to learn to do a sliding delivery proficiently. In terms of being able to balance yourself whilst moving along the ice, getting the speed, the line and the weight right and then let go of your stone? that takes time to get right!! It's a bit like golf and other sports in the sense that you need to get your body lined up properly and then deliver a stone without any movement that would or could affect the line of the stone (The line is simply the course the stone takes).
The delivery has to be one fluid motion, a bit like in rowing, where any unwanted movement can affect the speed of the scull and act as a backward force to it's motion. (Rowing is yet another sport where there's a lot more to it than meets the eye - I say I swam in the Clyde?? I capsized in a training boat once and it was bloody freezing!!, ha ha!).
To do all of that properly is great to watch once you know what's happening.

That isn't even taking into consideration that, in bowling, the surface is always the same, but in curling, the ice changes all the time, even during a game, so sometimes the ice can be slow, other times it can be fast, other times the stone will curl easily, other times, it doesn't. sometimes things can depend on what the ice is like at the time.
So, in that one bit alone, there is much more to it than meets the eye!!

And then, there is a bit that everyone mocks, the sweeping.
It may look daft, but you are momentarily melting the ice right in front of the stone so it will go further, or you can control how much it curls or stays straight.

In order to sweep properly, you have to be able to walk or jog along the ice, whilst sweeping hard against the ice in a sideways motion, whilst watching where the stone is going, whilst watching the line, whilst watching if it's curling yet, whilst watching and listening to the skip at the end telling you when to sweep, and often the player at the other end too (Standing at the end of the sheet, they have the best view of what the stone is doing in terms of it's line, etc), whilst seeing where other stones are so you can step over them, sometimes at speed, whilst, at the same time, using your own judgement about what the stone is doing and if you should be sweeping or not.
And to brush properly, you are pressing HARD on the ice, so it is actually a bit of a work out for the upper body if you are sweeping a lot of the way down the sheet!

Yet again, there is much more to it than meets the eye, and it's all done in less than 30 seconds.

And it's all on ice, so you also learn VERY quickly how to fall properly when your above average sense of balance finally DOES depart you!! (even the very best will fall eventually).

Quote:
So i take it this pond curling whilst the original method is akin to base jumping now.
For the slightly more adventurous.


It was played for hundreds of years outside by farmers and the like, so it's the sense of being about to get back to the game's routes and just have a fun few hours or day outside, with fine weather, hopefully even better company and with the whisky (optional) doing the rounds!!

Quote:
Best of luck with you tourney official or otherwise  


Thanks!
I hope next time you watch it on the telly, you remember what I said and realise that there is FAR more going on than it probably appears.
cybers

Erm i will read that over the coming weeks...
I suffer from hyper-activity and as such sometimes lose concentra......

Seriously though...
Never realised there was so much to it ....
Pap a few shiny bits of granite doon tae that target bitty doon ther Hamish will never be the same again.
Douglas

Well, it is, but what I wrote was with all the extra bits!!  

Seriously though, I made it sound a bit complicated there, but in reality, once you know what you are doing, it's quite simple really.

I still need to perfect my sliding delivery, so I'll be practicing that ad nauseum once I start playing again, hopefully sometime in the coming week.

If you or anyone else is still intrigued, come along to Braehead on a Saturday morning for 10am, and there is a session where anyone can just go along and play, even complete beginners.

Think it's starting again on the 31st (which is a bit kak, but there you go).

As for Braehead, if you know where the food bits are up the stairs, then the entrance to the curling sheets is to the right, between the doors leading to the steps, and Pizza Hut.

There are two big rinks on both sides up there, and most people do not even know they exist, so a little bit of Urban Glasgow exploring can be done here!!  

Hope this helps, even if you just want to see it being done for real.
Douglas

Oh aye, not slagging of curling so much now, are you??    
cybers

Lol I had to go watch some telly as that scary cracks me right up.
Douglas

I just hope my lengthy explanation earlier about Curling made sense and wasn't just a big lump of Douganese gobbledeegook.

Any questions. Just ask.
Douglas

Scary wrote:
Stuball wrote:
Scary wrote:
Douglas wrote:
Actually, how similar is this forum to the Hidden Glasgow one??

I was on that ages ago, but I found it a bit boring after a while (actually it was some of the members and I just couldn't be bothered with it all any more).


I would go as far as to say this forum is totally different to HG in many ways, for example you won`t be corrected for spelling mistakes and punctuation...as long as it`s legible it will be OK and there is a happy medium here most of the time..ok we have disagreements, but we sort it out and get on with things and most of all we welcome new members like yopurself with open arms.


You spelled 'yourself' wrong

Wander what happened there?
   


 

Actually, I found some of them to be a bit too self righteous - you couldn't  say anything remotely Un - PC or risque, as they would be there practically crucifying you.
Others were just a bit TOO sensible (being sensible is fine, but there is a limit!).
Self righteous and in Captain Sensible mode?? I'm the complete opposite!!

It was boring, so I gave up after a while.
wee minx

I've often watched the curling at East Kilbride rink, its very relaxing and interesting to watch.  Do you play for a club, Douglas?
Douglas

Yes, I started playing at club level before having coaching, etc (just the way I started playing). This was great, as I was able to get loads of experience, and our club is just small, so I was substituting all the time, but not so good as I now have bad habits that I have had to try and iron out (and now, the moment I get rid of one, another problem appears).

You should go along to one of these try it events if you are interested, or, even the Saturday morning thing at Braehead I mentioned earlier.

Interestingly, most of the people there start off at these coaching sessions and get good at it before picking a club.
I did the complete opposite, all I did was answer an ad in the paper, went along to Braehead, asked about it, and vola, before I knew it I was playing!


Yes, I am being deliberately coy.
Alex Glass

Douglas wrote:
Aye on a lake without checking how thick the ice is first. This is why I'm trying to find out BEFORE.

Also, as an aside, the Lake of Menteith is between 6 and 7 inches apparently and is deemed to be perfectly fine by the authorities.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that in the 18th and 19h century, 6 inches was enough to support a horse and gun carriage.
Wouldn't like to try it though!!

If you went in there then yes, it WOULD be serious!!


Good luck with the Curling Douglas

If you do get out on the ice maybe a couple of photos could be posted here.

Douglas

Aye a couple of pictures of me wading back to shore no doubt!!  
sputnik

douglas,im just being curious here but why dalmuir pond,are you a local.
Douglas

No real reason other than it's a pond I've seen frozen and was pretty solid when I walked on it.

There has been a slight thaw today, but it would probably still be ok if the snow was cleared off it and it was prepared properly.

Also I was talking to someone who lives near by and she said she saw a kid walking in it once, so it can't be THAT deep!

The chances are, the Dalmuir Park Bonspeil () will not happen though.

By the way, yes, I'm local, but not THAT local.
Stuball

Try Binghams pond....
Douglas

I'm off to Lake of Mentieth tomorrow, thaw or no damn thaw.

I'll bear Bingham's in mind when I get back.
Actually the last time I was on the ice there was in about 1995, as I knew someone who lived locally (Whitinghame Drive) and we spent quite a lot of time faffing about on it and listening it going CRACK!!, before running away from direction of the noise!  

Ah yes, the joys of simple entertainment!!    
Douglas

Crap, the ice is apparently off at LOM.

I'll be going anyway, even if it's just to go walking instead.
Kevin_Mc

you should have went and played on it!

i was out on the Canal outside my work a few lunch times last week, writing names in the snow, watching people cycling up and down the surface of the ice, trying to rock boats that were frozen in place...

never going to get the chance of doing that again for a good few years at least.
Douglas

I played on the Lake of Mentieth, and I enjoyed every moment of it, even if it was all rather soggy!!

See the newspapers, you'll see pictures all over the place.

The only picture of myself that I've seen so far is on page 20 of the Metro, where I'm pushing the stones back to the Crampit after practicing with them.
I'm a sillouette with myself reflected perfectly in the ice,  so only I know it's me.
I was practicing with the stones from Montrose whilst they were away having lunch, so I was the only person playing on that particular bit of ice.

Also, the picture the news papers have used, the head on shot of the stone being thrown with all the spray being thrown up, and the two sweepers beside it, that was all set up at the end of the games, so we all got shots of it from various different angles.
The players there were from Perth, and I got to play with them during their game also.

After it had all finished, I walked over to Inchmahome Priory and Dog Island behind it.

Between the two islands was the only place I could hear water running under the ice.

If the ice had gone, I wouldn't have had a chance as I couldn't move very quickly. You see, just to start moving, I had to take a few steps on the spot before my feet got enough traction and I started to move forwards!
I wonder how all my thermals I was wearing would have stood up to it, but I'm glad I never had to find out!

I'm downloading the grottyfaffs as I speak by the way.
cybers

Look forward to seeing them Douglas as the description sounds great.
Douglas

Also, Dalmuir Park Pond is only about 3 feet deep apparently.  

Probably too late though. Damn thaw!!
cybers

Aye the greenies who have been curled up with the central heating on 11+ will be climbing out the duvet after what was a brilliant abscence of the twats and blaming the thaw on global warming.

As a wee side note even the advert for the polar bear habitat was removed from air.
Seems it felt it would be lacking credibility during the current cold spell but is due to appear back on our screens before the weekend.
steviem

Quote:

Nah, bowls is much more boring, I mean, all you have to do there is throw the bowl down the baise.


Haudit a minute Douglas !! Down my bowling club at Weirs i've seen the auld yins that can hardly stand up totally pi***d and can still land the bowl on the sweetie. Thats skill my man.How good are you curlers when yer bevvied ?    
Beano

steviem wrote:
Quote:

Nah, bowls is much more boring, I mean, all you have to do there is throw the bowl down the baise.


Haudit a minute Douglas !! Down my bowling club at Weirs i've seen the auld yins that can hardly stand up totally pi***d and can still land the bowl on the sweetie. Thats skill my man.How good are you curlers when yer bevvied ?    
Depends if the ice melts in their drinks  
Douglas

Oh part of an outdoor Bonspiel are the drams. I had a good swig of something (Can't remember what Whisky it was I mean) at the game and was still perfectly fine! (on thin ice and with alcobooze in my system, tsk tsk!). Just as well I'm only 9 stone!

There are many stories from the past when all the local farmers used to play together and the amount of Whisky that was put away was quite something, so it's just down to whether you can stand the pace or not!!  
I also remember hearing of stories of people out playing, whilst a bit sozzled and with the ice suddenly beginning to crack up.
Curlers have to know how to move quickly whilst pished!!    

Maybe we have brought the Elf and Safety stuff on ourselves after all!
Beano

Glad to hear you had good time mate  
Douglas

cybers wrote:
Aye the greenies who have been curled up with the central heating on 11+ will be climbing out the duvet after what was a brilliant abscence of the twats and blaming the thaw on global warming.


Do you know that certain species of insect that are sensitive to heat are  moving northwards across Europe, and other are projected to in the future??
Forget what politicians and so on are saying, just watch the animals, as nobody has told them what to do.

Anyway, it's the first cold burst like this in about 30 years, so it's not as if it happens every day, like.
Being a curler, nobody is more aware of this than I am.
It's a 30 year freak!  

Things are happening, you only have to look at the evidence over the years.

I am a member of various other forums and some that mainly form the U.S.
The debate there is, yes, it's happening (although they are all hung up of Al Gore, which is a bit tiresome for anyone outwith North America). But what exactly is causing it?
There are some wonderfully fanciful theories over the pond, I can tell you!!
Doog Doog

Douglas wrote:
cybers wrote:
Aye the greenies who have been curled up with the central heating on 11+ will be climbing out the duvet after what was a brilliant abscence of the twats and blaming the thaw on global warming.


Do you know that certain species of insect that are sensitive to heat are  moving northwards across Europe, and other are projected to in the future??
Forget what politicians and so on are saying, just watch the animals, as nobody has told them what to do.

Anyway, it's the first cold burst like this in about 30 years, so it's not as if it happens every day, like.
Being a curler, nobody is more aware of this than I am.
It's a 30 year freak!  

Things are happening, you only have to look at the evidence over the years.

I am a member of various other forums and some that mainly form the U.S.
The debate there is, yes, it's happening (although they are all hung up of Al Gore, which is a bit tiresome for anyone outwith North America). But what exactly is causing it?
There are some wonderfully fanciful theories over the pond, I can tell you!!


What the enviornmentalists don't tell you is that global warming is a natural cycle of events that take centuries to complete and usually coincide with a phenomenon where the earths magnetic poles change polarity.
Douglas

I know it's all about cycles, after all, we are due a change apparently.
I've heard so many different theories about it all, that's all,  but the insect thing is one thing that I DO know!

It's just the people who do not think it exists that gets me, you only have to look at history, and also, I mean, how ... why would these species be moving northwards if the weather was exactly the same as it alway has been??
It'd be impossible. For a start, it would be too cold for certain types to move physically.
You might get the summer migrants, and other blown off course, etc, but they wouldn't start to collonise and start to live here.

By the way, if the gulf Stream gets taken out by all the fresh water from the Arctic, then I'll be there with the stones ready to go for a game!!    

Oh and another thing, to all the people who claim that CO2 isn't a pollutant. What's Carbonic acid doing to the oceans??

Whether CO2 is the cause of climate change or not is nether here nor there to me, because, as far as I'm concerned, reducing all the chemicals and muck from the environment in general can only be a good thing. Period.

If you live next to a busy road, I'm sure you'd agree!!
Douglas

Oh aye, and before anyone thinks they see an obvious flaw. quite a lot of species of insect actually hibernate, so winter isn't a problem.
cybers

What about the pollutants in your local ponds....
Asda trolleys cant be good for the sticklebacks.

On a more serious note Nature is about to change the earth shall repair itself by getting rid of the parasite that is making it sick. (US)

Whilst the American greenies are laughable at best with their Toyota Prius'
30 mpg why because it has to drag the hybrid batteries around and has been proven to be more economical without them.
Yank Tank 5ltr V8's with the economy figures of a third world countries deficit and the fuel consumption less than a UK battleship they would be the last people i would look to for change.
The best they could come up with was if a car cant do more than 30mpg then it shall be liable to a higher state taxation.

Most of our worst cars could achieve this figure in the 70's.
The Iraq conflict was about who controls the pollutant and its taxation IMHO.

But then that is way, way off topic.
Douglas

cybers wrote:
What about the pollutants in your local ponds....
Asda trolleys cant be good for the sticklebacks.


....And the sunk Curling stones awaiting pick up because the stupid dolt playing didn't have a ladder to go down and retrieve it at the time!! (I saw a story in the Herald about that).

Quote:
On a more serious note Nature is about to change the earth shall repair itself by getting rid of the parasite that is making it sick. (US)


I know. All the other animals were having a great time until we came along and spoiled the party. It's time the bouncer of destiny chucks us out!!
[/quote]

By the way, I don't drive. Just got to get that out.
I originally was on heavy medication, and now, well, I've never had any real desire to drive (unless I need to get to the Lake of Menteith or somewhere like that of course! - I made use of the rural buses there. No, seriously, I did, and it was interesting to see what they are actually like.
I've always found it to be quite amazing to be in the back of beyond and then a ruddy Farcebus suddenly appears. Nowhere is safe!!).

So, err, those Prius thingimybobbers do not actually mean very much to me anyway.
cybers

Prius
They dont really mean very much to anyone and the sooner Toyota get to Hydrogen Powered zero emission vehicles the better for the planet.
Stuball

Hydrogen power will only work if they stop charging so much for it... and sell it in garages outwith the state of California
cybers

Agreed...
But its only a trial there to make sure Governor Arnie does not go down the local shell and blow that sh!t up !!!
Douglas

I went to the pond in Dalmuir again today and stepped out on to it after assessing the ice looked OK enough.

It's unplayable now (although that's what they said about the Lake of Menteith, and look what we did there!!), and the ice was starting to rock slightly at the edges.

Anyway, I went up to one of the melted bits, crouched down, and stuck my hand in the water to see how thick the ice was (with me half expecting the thing to give way at any given moment)

It appeared to be sloping downwards away from the hole, and the edge round the surface was, to my slight surprise, razor sharp. You wouldn't want to fall onto THAT!  

Oh yes, and the water was bloody sore to touch after just a few seconds, so I'm kind of glad I didn't fall in, even if it would only have been to my knees!
Douglas

Still walkable on today, but half of the ice is now gone  

I also was able to see the bottom for the first time and yes, it's not very deep at all.

Next time, I'll be ready, with the stones chilled, ready to go!!

As an aside, I was talking to a guy who works as a Gardener for the council in Clydebank, and he was saying that today he saw two teenagers and their Mum, complete with trolley full of shopping, walking idly OVER the canal.
 

A pond is one thing, a canal is quite another.

Says me who was walking in the middle of the Lake of Menteith the other day.
Douglas

I was up at Lomond Shores yesterday and I was able to walk on the ice there (ok, a little bit at the edge of the basin bit beside the shops).
To say it was slippy would be an understatement!

Also whist there, I observed a guy throwing his dog things to fetch off the ice. The dog went out, collected whatever it was, and then came dashing back to the owner.
Straight into a hole already in the ice that is!!  

Once it has climbed out, it was off again, unperturbed.
It obviously hadn't been looking where it was running and went straight in, like something straight out of a comedy.


Gowd, I wish there would be another freeze, and this time, when I actually have TIME to go out to these places!!
Damn stupid thaw and damn all you people who are now pleased the ice is gone!!

And no, I wont move to Canada or somewhere instead!!  
Douglas

Lookin' forwards to the snow on Wednesday for pictures. Sod the ice, it's gone!

Snow is the new black!  

Seriously, and specially for Wee Minx,  I was up at Lomond |Shores again today and the way the ice was sitting from the bank going out, you practically slid down the slope and onto the Loch.

Interesting (and dangerous) enough, but then there were slopes on the ice itself and I eventually slid into a hole.

Luckily it was only about 2 feet deep (I'd have taken more extreme measures if I had been slipping towards a deeper hole), but, but that was it for me. With wet feet, I clambered out, got back up the slope and went home.

That's it, I don't need to go back now, I've 'Done' Loch Lomond!!  
Douglas

STILL there is ice on the pond.

I was able to walk about on it today with the camera. I even photographed a packet of bread that is frozen solid in it!!    

Starting to hear ominous noises from it though (the ice, not the bread).
sputnik

dalmuir golf course is the same douglas.i tried to play on sunday and the greens were still iced over.
Douglas

Yeah and Lomond Shores is taking quite a bit of time to clear too - this thaw seems to have taken place just about everywhere else BUT in these places!!

It's be great if it was really cold again and it all froze, but with the ice melting as it is, it'll probably be a bit weakened now.

The greens are frozen you say?? any long and level enough for some stones??    

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