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stan63

Freight trains

Could someone tell me how the freight trains running from the Ayrshire lines would get over to the east coast to the likes of Falkirk/Edinburgh area? Would they use the old Glasgow Union line?  

I ask this as I notice quite a few trains running on the line and i take it that not all of them eventually head down the West coast main line.

Stan
Stuball

Round the back of Sheilds Road depot and on to the west coast mainline... some go up the Whifflet Line... just an educated guess
Stuball

Allow me to change that... They divert off the Paisley line opposite Shields depot and go under the line then over to the west coast mainline
Doog Doog

I think they still go over the "R & C" then through cumbernauld to Greenhill Jcn.
Stuball

It just depends where they're going
norrie

The line that goes over Eglinton st, through Gorbals , over the Clyde and London rd, is still used to shunt passenger and frieight, could that be the way?
Stuball

Taking goods trains up onto the Airdrie line doesnt seem a good idea... I'm actually pretty sure they prefer taking them onto the west coast line, which is 4 tracks wide on up towards Coatbridge via Bargeddie et all.
Not to say they don't use the old union line at times
James

The Hunterston - Longannet coal trains.

They come up the line from the Largs branch, through Paisley towards Glasgow
Central. At Shields Junction they branch left, down to whats called the Burma Road
(which was recently electrified as a crossover which allowed electric trains to cross
the mainlines onto the Clydesdale lines was removed in part due to the resignalling
and trackworks associated with the Paisley corridor improvements). The Burma
Road passes under the mainlines and onto the Clydesdale lines.

From here, the trains pass under the southside-bound tracks and join with the WCML.
They then head onto the Rutherglen & Coatbridge line, turning north at Whifflet to
head through Coatbridge Central, up towards Cumbernauld, then onto the line
towards Stirling. At Striling, they take the newly relaid line to Alloa, through Alloa
itself and onto Longannet. Prior to the reopening of Alloa-Striling, they had to head
through Falkirk Grahamston, onto the E-G mainline, then take the left junction at
Winchburgh to then cross over the Forth Bridge and enter Longannet from the
east instead. This route must've involved the locomotive running around the hoppers
somewhere in Dunfermline, unless the train ran around the entire Fife Circle in the
long direction?

Pics of the Burma Road (photos scot-rail.co.uk)

Shields Junction, the Burma Road is the track on the left.


Heading down the Burma Road, Clydesdale lines on the extreme right.


Coal train on the Burma Road heading under the mainlines, which are carried on the plate girder bridge.


Under the mainlines.


Other side of the mainlines, train on the Burma Road, Clydesdale lines on the left.


The Burma Road joining to the Clydesdale lines.


The Burma Road joining to the Clydesdale lines. The tunnel on the extreme right lead to General Terminus Quay.


The twin tunnels of the Clydesdale lines, both once had two tracks through them. The original St Enoch-Paisley Canal alignment was carried on the plate girder bridge above the tunnels.




James H
Doog Doog

Great pics,James.
I remember there was once a wee coal merchants,served by rail that was adjacent to the Burma Road.
BTJustice

I thought I would have a look on google earth to try and help me place the layout of the tracks.

Seems to be a rail tour passing the junction in the picture.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q....001774,0.005681&t=h&z=18


Looks like 2 37's, one at either end.

Dave
norrie

Hi james73, well done, now its clear to me
Are you a railway worker?
norrie

Hi BT justice, silly me followed the wrong line, I followed the one that passes over Eglinton st and heads over the Clyde to the north side
Handy tool google
Glasgow Loon

Link to you tube video of coal train going from rutherglen to shields:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUZpapgpVvE

norrie

Hi Glasgowloon, I enjoyed that clip, once the train got to Rutherglen I knew where I was
stan63

james73 wrote:
The Hunterston - Longannet coal trains.

They come up the line from the Largs branch, through Paisley towards Glasgow
Central. At Shields Junction they branch left, down to whats called the Burma Road
(which was recently electrified as a crossover which allowed electric trains to cross
the mainlines onto the Clydesdale lines was removed in part due to the resignalling
and trackworks associated with the Paisley corridor improvements). The Burma
Road passes under the mainlines and onto the Clydesdale lines.

From here, the trains pass under the southside-bound tracks and join with the WCML.
They then head onto the Rutherglen & Coatbridge line, turning north at Whifflet to
head through Coatbridge Central, up towards Cumbernauld, then onto the line
towards Stirling. At Striling, they take the newly relaid line to Alloa, through Alloa
itself and onto Longannet. Prior to the reopening of Alloa-Striling, they had to head
through Falkirk Grahamston, onto the E-G mainline, then take the left junction at
Winchburgh to then cross over the Forth Bridge and enter Longannet from the
east instead. This route must've involved the locomotive running around the hoppers
somewhere in Dunfermline, unless the train ran around the entire Fife Circle in the
long direction?

Pics of the Burma Road (photos scot-rail.co.uk)

Shields Junction, the Burma Road is the track on the left.


Heading down the Burma Road, Clydesdale lines on the extreme right.


Coal train on the Burma Road heading under the mainlines, which are carried on the plate girder bridge.


Under the mainlines.


Other side of the mainlines, train on the Burma Road, Clydesdale lines on the left.


The Burma Road joining to the Clydesdale lines.


The Burma Road joining to the Clydesdale lines. The tunnel on the extreme right lead to General Terminus Quay.


The twin tunnels of the Clydesdale lines, both once had two tracks through them. The original St Enoch-Paisley Canal alignment was carried on the plate girder bridge above the tunnels.




James H


Thanks for that.It was the hunterston trains in particular I was thinking about.I forgot about the line branching off under the Glasgow Central line.Its all a bit clearer now.

Stan
Stuball

BTJustice wrote:

Looks like 2 37's, one at either end.


If you go up to Hillington (West I think), you'll see the same train
Glasgow Loon

norrie wrote:
Hi Glasgowloon, I enjoyed that clip, once the train got to Rutherglen I knew where I was


Glad you liked the clip Norrie.

Its not a line many people will have been on as i dont think many passenger trains used it over the years.
stan63

Could that line be used to run trains from Ayrshire to Edinburgh?
James

stan63 wrote:
Could that line be used to run trains from Ayrshire to Edinburgh?

It could, yes.



James H
Capercaillie

Depends on where from in Ayrshire.

Trains from East Ayrshire can branch off at the Strathbungo junction to join the WCML west of Polmadie then choose one of existing Glasgow Central - Edinburgh connections to complete the journey.

It therefore follows that services from South Ayrshire that connect to Kilmarnock could follow this route.

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