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Fjord

Glasgow Aerial Pictures Discussion Thread

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HollowHorn

I take it that it's one of these barges that now resides on the grass at Pinkston?:


schiehallion

It's only by looking at those aerial photos you see the extent of the communal air raid shelters that were built in tenement back courts throughout the city.
Fjord

Well spotted Schiehallion aslo worth noting is the use of public spaces like this example in a small playpark in the Govanhill area.


Govanhill 002 image





schiehallion

Fjord wrote:
Well spotted Schiehallion aslo worth noting is the use of public spaces like this example in a small playpark in the Govanhill area.


Govanhill 002 image



Due east of that park, you'll see more 'public space' ones immediately north of the Victoria Primary School in Batson St.  That never developed area used to be a small hill where the kids slid down on boards.

In 1964 Glasgow Corporation were given a government grant to remove the communal air raid shelters.  The penny finally dropped at Westminster that these shelters in any future war would be of no use! Kaboom!

978 were removed in the winter of 1963 and more would go in 1964 if they were unsound or were in the way of a future development.  Even with that number removed, some 1400 still existed.

Alec Douglas-Home's Tory government had given the limited grant to create 'winter employment' for unskilled manual workers in demolishing them during 1963-64.  Most of the rest appear to have been demolished in 1968
falseface

great info  
glasgowken

Where are the high res images to be found ?
glasgowken

Hello ?
James

Sorry GK, thought I'd answered this already.  

There are no higher resolution images than those already posted. We haven't been
given copies to distribute.


James H
glasgowken

Ah right, cheers James.  I thought they were on a CD like the other lot.

Hang on, what does Fjord mean here ?  
Quote:
* The images posted here are low resolution versions to show the area of coverage. What we aim to do over time is take a closer look using the Hi-Res images at places of interest and there are lots!

Where are the high res images ?
Stuball

They havent got rights to distribute them
glasgowken

Ah, ok cheers.
Alex Glass

I was having a look through the collection as it is really quiet on here and no one seems to be active at the moment. Any way  -  I noticed in the City Centre 1970 aerial photo that only the Kingston Bridge appears to be completed and there doesn't seem to be much of the M8 on either side of the bridge.



It got me thinking about the Glasgow 1980 video which shows the Queen Mother opening the bridge and another part of the video shows sections of the M8 but there doesn't appear to be any visible work going on!

I also notice that on a couple of the Oatlands photos you can see the whole of Richmond Park.



It looks so good that the photo must have been taken when the park was at it's peak.

Maybe worth a project on the history of the park. I saw a book somewhere which has a chapter on each of Glasgow's parks. I will need to try and see if I can remember where I saw it to see what it says about Richmond Park.

Does anyone know anything about either the construction of the Kingston Bridge and M8 or Richmond Park?
Stuball

I know that the Kingston bridge was heated during the winter to stop ice forming.... it was a central heated bridge! I have a picture somewhere of an accident on the bridge which was a result of the heating being switched off during the miner strikes (I think)
I'm not sure if the bridge is heated anymore but I'm guessing no
Alex Glass

I have a video of the recent repairs and the moving of the bridge. They didn't mention anything in that about having to turn the heating off during the work so maybe due to cost it was discontinued some years ago.

I should copy that video and load it up on YouTube

Just a thought - I know some people where out with Falseface n the 2nd January doing another M74 walk. Maybe it would be a good project to use the aerial photos to track where the M74 should have went. I am sure they should cover it most of the way through the south of Glasgow.

I was hoping that the aerials in the collection had some views of Glasgow Green as I have a chapter giving the history of the Green and was contemplating doing a project. I will have to use the others as they do show the whole of the Green.
Stuball

Would you like an aerial shot of the green from 2007? It's not a perfect overhead shot but its the green :)

Oh, I have pictures of the Kingston Bridge when it was closed for moving and some pictures of the first vehicles over (large bunch of motorbikes)
Fjord

Dalmarnock Army Depot?

I was taking a closer look at the Dalmarnock pics and was drawn to the amount of vehicles in storage in a depot near Shawfield stadium given that there's very few private or commercial vehicles with the exception of Trams on the road in any of the images makes me suspect that they're  army trucks and various other types.
There's also what looks like Bailey pontoon bridges as well as some other small boats in amongst the rather neatly parked herringbone rows. Seeing as these pics were taken just after the war I'd guess this is where all the surplus military hardware ended up after de-mob in Europe.

I couldn't find anything online regarding this location during WW2 which makes it all the more interesting unless anyone has another suggestions. Maybe Grandad bought a bargain 2 and a half tonner at auction back in the day?  

I note that in the present day photo there's a Camp Road that runs through the former site... is that a clue to it's past?

Dalmarnock at Shawfield

   



*note the pontoons on the lower left row of vehicles

 





An example of a Bailey Pontoon Bridge in action
Chief Inspector

That picture had always intrested me I'm sur some of that land is now TA
so that might explain the MOD conection (transport dev?)
It is a much smaller site now and i'm sur the TA transport moved over to Kings Park.
James

Re: Dalmarnock Army Depot?

Fjord wrote:
I note that in the present day photo there's a Camp Road that runs through the former site... is that a clue to it's past?

You mean maybe it was a bit effeminate?


James H
Alex Glass

Stuball wrote:
Would you like an aerial shot of the green from 2007? It's not a perfect overhead shot but its the green :)

Oh, I have pictures of the Kingston Bridge when it was closed for moving and some pictures of the first vehicles over (large bunch of motorbikes)


That would be great Stu

I will try and get hold of the book on Glasgow's Parks and get a better copy of the section on Glasgow Green and either copy it or re-type it out and post it up in full.

I also got a couple of books recently with a couple of old photos taken within the park.
Alex Glass

The Charing Cross Junction

Stuball

pre-BP building and marriot
Alex Glass

Trawling through some old photos I have and came across these of the Kingston Bridge captures from a video.







mondobongo

Fjord. Thanks so much for the aerial photos of North Pollok. Great stuff!!!

Helped resolve an ongoing dispute between me and my sister as to whether there were tenements on both sides of Bargaran Road (she was right   ), I thought there were just the big ones on the north side.

Anyway, thanks for posting the pics, I've been enjoying looking over them for ages.
John

Quote:
Mondo... Helped resolve an ongoing dispute between me and my sister as to whether there were tenements on both sides of Bargaran Road


You were probably thinking of the next road up Barochan Road that ran parallel with Bargaran Road and had tenements on one side and calfhill court on the other. Hope that helps  
mondobongo

Aye, your spot on Scary.
hillmanimp

FAO   Fjord

In the thread (now locked) about aerial photos of Pollock, you mentioned that it was part of a Glasgow wide aerial mapping.

Can you say where one can view other pictures from this series as there are a couple of areas I'd be interested in.

Many thanks

Imp
Alex Glass

Imp

The other photos aren't available as yet but maybe one day someone will be kind enough to give us access.
hillmanimp

Alex Glass wrote:
Imp

The other photos aren't available as yet but maybe one day someone will be kind enough to give us access.


OK!  Thanks for that Alex.  I shall keep my eyes open.

Imp
Robert Pool

here's a shortcut to some l took last year

http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertpool/sets/72157621856797872/detail/
AlanM

Lovely set of pics there Robert.

 
Lister87

Hi Guys,

I came across your aerial shots of Kinning Park on google images, and I wondered if you might be able to post/send me some high resolution images of West Scotland Street.

Also if anyone has any images at all of the same area from 1870 - 1900 that'd be great.

Cheers.
Stuball

Sorry dude but you'll have to contribute and get known a bit before we start sharing hi-res stuff with you...

But welcome to UG and feel free to browse whats here
Lister87

Stuball wrote:
Sorry dude but you'll have to contribute and get known a bit before we start sharing hi-res stuff with you...

But welcome to UG and feel free to browse whats here


Not a problem mate :)
Lister87

Just a note, here is what I am after a higher resolution image of.

West Scotland Street, Kinning Park.

The area highlighted was once home to the Kinning Park Ground, home of Clydesdale Cricket Club, and later Rangers FC.

Stuball

We can't give out copies of high res shots.... as I said before, you need to contribute a little here and there
Lister87

Stuball wrote:
We can't give out copies of high res shots.... as I said before, you need to contribute a little here and there


No worries, I understood the first time. I was just informing you guys that the above is what I was looking for, when the time comes.

I've got plenty of photographs of Glasgow to contribute, I am a photographer after all  
617DukeStreet

This one is fascinating for me. There's quite a few things that disappeared which I knew were there, and now have them confirmed even on this lo-res image.

* At the top left-hand corner of what we called the 'cricket pitch' (where Whitehill now sits) there was a white cricket pavilion. It's visible here.

* On the right-hand edge up to Cumbernauld Road there were a couple of tennis courts, also visible.

* In Ally Park the 'theatre scene' which disappeared during my childhood seems to be visible (slightly NE of the fountain) as are the tennis courts at the NE end of the park.

* Flag pole area of the park, which had an actual flag pole, and circular metal fence/railing metal is also clear.

* I did zoom in to see if the church at the corner of Craigpark Drive & Meadowpark Street was visible, but this is just too lo-res to tell.

* It seems the post-war pre-fabs just south of Ally Parade school are not there yet!

* Dennistoun Waverley FC's gravel pitch also seems to be there beside the railway on Cumbernauld Road. If you scroll down this page you'll see an image of the pitch by Cumbernauld Road: http://nonleaguescotland.co.uk/region/Oldies/oldies.htm

** Pity there wasn't a bit more to the south. I'd like to have traced Inglis Street, where my grandad hailed from in the 1890s, and checked out some of the playgrounds I remember just of Duke Street and over near Broompark/Dunchatten Street.

*** Where do you buy these images?




Pete
cybers

Slightly better resolution clearly there is a building church like on that corner never knew there was a cricket pitch but then i went to the "NEW" Whitehill school.

617DukeStreet

Amazing detail!

* The Parade cinema is quite clearly there too.

* And you can actually see the two specially tended wickets on the cricket pitch.

* The red gravel pitch is also clearly visible.

* The GPO building across from Ally Parade school hasn't been built yet either. Short lifespan that place had.

Here's yours truly on the cricket pitch about 1967. Check out the collection of Mini cars in the background. This would be towards the northern end. The pitch was also used for school sports days and part of it was sometimes marked out as a grass football pitch.  Beyond my ken as to why they knocked down Onslow and Whitehill schools and then built on this fantastic green area.



Pete
fastnet

  What one are you mate ?
617DukeStreet

fastnet wrote:
  What one are you mate ?


Ha ha, well I asked for that  

Since both are mongrels, the clue is: only one of these two actually came from the window of a pet shop near the Saltmarket. The other just looks as though he did.

?
cybers

617DukeStreet wrote:
fastnet wrote:
  What one are you mate ?


Ha ha, well I asked for that  

Since both are mongrels, the clue is: only one of these two actually came from the window of a pet hop near the Saltmarket. The other just looks as though he did.

?


Ah so your the fella on the left then  
stan63

Lister87 wrote:
Just a note, here is what I am after a higher resolution image of.

West Scotland Street, Kinning Park.

The area highlighted was once home to the Kinning Park Ground, home of Clydesdale Cricket Club, and later Rangers FC.




I posted a question in the railways thread about railway lines parallel to the motorway just before you turn to go on to the kingston bridge. This photo seems to confirm for me that there were lines on the left of the motorway just where the Edward McNeil factory now is. I'll sleep better tonight knowing i wasn't imagining things.

Stan
617DukeStreet

cybers wrote:
Ah so your the fella on the left then  


Got it in one cybers!

From what I can sleuth it seems the cricket pitch was home to Golfhill cricket club. Expect there might have been a bit of class resentment there, especially during the Thatcher regime, so perhaps there was little sympathy for the protests of the first XI about the demise of their bit of turf?

Not much of a cricket fan but Dennistoun looked a lot prettier with that green area.

Cheers

Rover
cybers

Used to go up to a lovely old ladys house on Onslow Drive before the school was built with my Nana always good for an almond slice was Mrs Mooney's   or one of mr kiplings exceedingly small cakes...
bob1

shawfield

the RAF had a camp transport camp at shawfield during the war also the rasc and REME had an amphibius transport  depot in the 1950s think it was t a and reservist but may also have been a regular unir  regards bob
Cole

could someone be so kind as to upload a highres image of the highlighted section here please?



it's from Gorbals 1 and vissable in Gorbals 2 of the Aerial Pictures thread. It could be my bad eye sight but I am struggling to make out what is in that space between the flats. I believe this is now where a School is but I am not sure what the space was in this picture.
Marblez

Cole wrote:
It's from Gorbals 1 and vissable in Gorbals 2 of the Aerial Pictures thread. It could be my bad eye sight but I am struggling to make out what is in that space between the flats. I believe this is now where a School is but I am not sure what the space was in this picture.


It was Hutcheson Square which is now under the site of Blackfriars Primary School at Cumberland St/Camden Terrace so you are correct Cole
Cole

Marblez wrote:
Cole wrote:
It's from Gorbals 1 and vissable in Gorbals 2 of the Aerial Pictures thread. It could be my bad eye sight but I am struggling to make out what is in that space between the flats. I believe this is now where a School is but I am not sure what the space was in this picture.


It was Hutcheson Square which is now under the site of Blackfriars Primary School at Cumberland St/Camden Terrace so you are correct Cole


thanks for that I had no idea what it was called either so I can now look it up and find out more about it.
cinema historian

schiehallion wrote:
Fjord wrote:
Well spotted Schiehallion aslo worth noting is the use of public spaces like this example in a small playpark in the Govanhill area.


Govanhill 002 image



Due east of that park, you'll see more 'public space' ones immediately north of the Victoria Primary School in Batson St.  That never developed area used to be a small hill where the kids slid down on boards.

In 1964 Glasgow Corporation were given a government grant to remove the communal air raid shelters.  The penny finally dropped at Westminster that these shelters in any future war would be of no use! Kaboom!

978 were removed in the winter of 1963 and more would go in 1964 if they were unsound or were in the way of a future development.  Even with that number removed, some 1400 still existed.

Alec Douglas-Home's Tory government had given the limited grant to create 'winter employment' for unskilled manual workers in demolishing them during 1963-64.  Most of the rest appear to have been demolished in 1968

my mum lived on shields road and she told me there was an underground air raid shelter in the playground of the school
cell

I assume people have seen these but just in case:-
http://panoramas.bzncl.tv/Gap74/
Some great Glasgow aerial photos from the late 50s to the late 60s
cybers

Hmmm Looks like a member has been a wee bit busy on here eh bought them on EBAY  
http://urbanglasgow.co.uk/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=42
Gina

I got a nice crop of the Calton area between Gallowgate, Abercromby St, London Road and Glasgow Cross from the photo labelled Gorbals 3.
I even managed to get a view of my granny's old house at the top of Tobago street!  
Beano

cybers wrote:
Hmmm Looks like a member has been a wee bit busy on here eh bought them on EBAY  
http://urbanglasgow.co.uk/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=42


Did we not have a "display elsewhere on pain of death" rule about these photographs    
Stuball

Beano wrote:
cybers wrote:
Hmmm Looks like a member has been a wee bit busy on here eh bought them on EBAY  
http://urbanglasgow.co.uk/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=42


Did we not have a "display elsewhere on pain of death" rule about these photographs    


Yes, we did
Hawick_1987

Wisnae me  
Gina

Beano wrote:
cybers wrote:
Hmmm Looks like a member has been a wee bit busy on here eh bought them on EBAY  
http://urbanglasgow.co.uk/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=42


Did we not have a "display elsewhere on pain of death" rule about these photographs    



Are they on here already and more to the point are there any more?
AlanM

Are the folks at 'the other place' aware?
They were bought when most of us were still there. Gap74 was a lot more active over there than he ever was here.
Gina

A post with an almost identical layout has appeared on the FB page of the thieving site containing the name Maryhill! 😬
cell

Gina wrote:
A post with an almost identical layout has appeared on the FB page of the thieving site containing the name Maryhill! ��


That wasn't me, I came across the link on another site and was aware of the history of these pics, just glad they are now out there for everyone to enjoy.
robertpool

Gina wrote:
I got a nice crop of the Calton area between Gallowgate, Abercromby St, London Road and Glasgow Cross from the photo labelled Gorbals 3.
I even managed to get a view of my granny's old house at the top of Tobago street!  


Gina, l had a look at the 'Panoramas' link above your post and l can't see Tobago Street in the Calton photo. Is it in one of the other photos?
Gina

It's taken from the photo labelled Gorbals 3.
Gina



This is the section of Calton I spoke off.
Blue dot is junction of Tobago St and Gallowgate.
Green dot is Market St.
Orange dot is the junction of Gallowgate, Abercromby St and Bellgrove St.
Magenta dot is Elcho St.
The yellow dot was one of the entrances to the Meat Market.
The red dot was an area we called "the Brokey" and there were usually a couple of old wrecked vehicles of some kind lying there.

There is an earlier picture of this area which shows a church in that spot.
robertpool

thanks Gina, this is the first time l have seen my grandmothers house in 40 years.   l will send a pm later today with links that may show photos of your parents/grandparents
Gap74

Ooh, my ears are burning - a year late!

My memory of when we chipped in and bought them was that we were nervous about putting them up due to the shady provenance and unknown copyright situation - not because we wanted to hoard them.

About a year ago, during a discussion on the Skyscraper City forum, I stuck up some small crops of sections of them for illustrative purposes - seem to recall it was a thread about the loss of entire, densely-populated neighbourhoods or something. After sticking a few crops up, someone on there contacted me and asked about them.

After a lot of pondering, I thought it was maybe about time more people could see them. Still slightly nervous about the copyright and provenance, the other member of SC offered to host them in a full-resolution, zoomable format, on the proviso that we keep a close eye on who was accessing them and gave the link fairly limited exposure, just to see how it went. After a month or so, the usual Facebook nostalgia pages started to pinch them, so he watermarked them.

Sorry if anyone was annoyed, but after 8 years, I felt that it was time to look into giving them an audience, and there would be less concern about copyright. Only contact we got was the odd request for a certain image where someone could see the long-gone house of some long-lost relative. I think we had one media request from a local paper which I turned down.

I did start a discussion on HG in Dec 2014 about whether they should be unleashed to a wider audience, and the few who replied seemed to be in favour.

As an aside, I have no idea who in here is who over there...!
robertpool

an excellent set of photos that deserve to be shared. l for one will chip in to any fine you get and come and see you in the nick from time to time...lol  :-)
HollowHorn

I agree, they should be made available to everyone, they were found in a skip after all.
Alex Glass

Unless I am mistaken the aerial photos that form part of the Urban Glasgow Collection have always been fully available to anyone viewing this section.

As they are only available in a small resolution I don't think there was any worries about anyone stealing then or have I got that all wrong.

As one of the original buyers I also feel that it is time for access to be given to that other collection which is currently only available to those with access.

I don't believe there is copyright infringement as we bought the photos and arranged for them to be scanned. I don't know who held on to the originals but I know we all received a high res copy on a disc.

Maybe we should make them available as low resolution and see what happens. I think the biggest problem will be from people stealing them for their Facebook pages and groups.
robertpool

I agree Alex that they will find their way on to all sorts of Facebook pages, lo-res might just be the way to go for now  :-)
MacBorracho

Looking for a sunday project to try out some new code , i had a read through this section.
I hope Gap74 isnt getting too much grief for allowing me to put those other images up.
They are watermarked and you need to reassemble all the tiles to get a single image so they are as secure without being unusable.

I had also asked Robert Pool about doing the same with some of his images and they have been online for a while .http://panoramas.bzncl.tv/RPool/

Looking at these lores pictures i saw that they are able to be joined in to two strips showing the flight path.

i put a stitched watermarked zoomable version online to let people play with it;
http://panoramas.bzncl.tv/ug
If you have access to the hires versions this would make a fantastic image. it works pretty well with these lores images.

The bottom three images are from the Crookston directory as another test.
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