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Glasgow in the 1970s - my Co-op milk round, c1978

In the 1970s I was a feckless, ambitionless wastrel (nothing changed there, then), and from time to time when in need of some readies I would put in a few months as a milkman, working out of the SCWS Glasgow South Creamery in Titwood Road. This was the pre-Thatcher era, when jobs were there for the asking, and if you didn't like the one you were in you could go next door and probably get another.

The hours I worked there were bizarre, some days 4am-8am,  others 4am-9pm, and it was a 6-day 48-hour week, but the short days did give me daylight hours at all seasons to wander round with a camera, and much of the stuff I've put up on this site was a result of this.

The doorstep delivery of milk was still just about viable at this time, and indeed there was competition from Cuthbertson's (in Vicarfield St.) and Scottish Farmers  (Helen St. was it?), but already the supermarkets were undercutting the milkman by some margin and doorstep sales were dropping fast. Increasing ownership of fridge/freezers and cars contributed too. I worked for a wage plus commission, but not long after I finally left (early 1979) the Co-op introduced a franchise system whereby the roundsman leased his vehicle and bought the milk from them, effectively working for himself, but I don't think this delayed the demise of the business by many years.

I'm not sure I enjoyed the work much, though it had its consolations, and I can't imagine why I felt the need to record it.  This material, even more than the other Glasgow stuff, I dismissed as worthless and a shameful waste of time, but distance does lend some enchantment, and I can't remember (can you?) when I last saw an electric milk float on the streets of Glasgow, or for that matter a glass milk bottle on a doorstep.

In these photos you will see quite a lot, rather too much I fear, of Morrison Electricar UGB 376H  for which I apologise, and the area I worked at the time, from Craigton via Moss Heights to Cardonald, has changed very little in 30 years so there is next to no historical interest in them. In fact I'm not at all sure it's worth posting this lot, but anyway here goes.


Ready for the off.


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Not a self-portrait. Can't remember this lad's name, sorry.


Peter the Checker checking.
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Barlogan Av.


Minto Crescent and Torbreck St.
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Bunessan St.




Corner of Bunessan St. and Torbreck St. I'll call the boy John, though I really can't remember his name, which is a pity as he was a good lad, willing and honest. I hope he found his 'wage' (£2, I think) and tips (a bit more maybe) useful, and didn't feel too exploited.
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Sunart Rd and the Morven St. side of Craigton Primary.


Morar Rd.


Morar Rd at Carsaig Dr.
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Moidart Rd at Moidart Pl.


Moidart Rd. Looks like a Saturday morning, as John is at the door collecting the milk money. 35p per pint per week is my recollection..


In Moidart Cres.
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Carsaig Dr. at Jura Court.


Carsaig Dr.
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John collecting at 58 Carsaig Dr.


Carsaig Dr. from Luing Rd.
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At 162 Carsaig Dr.


Carsaig Dr.
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Carsaig Dr.


Maryland Dr.


Maryland Dr.
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Crosslee St. Must have been my last week, chap in the check jacket was taking over from me.


Crosslee St.




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Paisley Road West at Moss Heights.


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At Moss Heights.




Basturt feckin milkman, hauding that lift again
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Mossview Quadrant.


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Hillington Park Circus.






from 77 Wedderlea Dr.
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Looking down Midlem Dr. from Redpath Dr.


Redpath Dr. at Swinton Place.


Redpath Dr. at Hyndlee Dr.


Redpath Dr. and Carham Dr.
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Carham Dr.


Midlem Oval.


Midlem Dr. / Edgam Rd.
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Allanton Dr.


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Invergyle Dr.


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Wedderlea Dr.




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Wedderlea Dr. at Blairgowrie Rd.
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Pitlochry Dr.


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Wedderlea Dr. at Blairgowrie Rd.


Wedderlea Dr. at Hillington Gardens
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Invergyle Dr.






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Berryknowes Av.


Berryknowes Rd, Hillington Park Church.
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PRW at the Berryknowes Rd lights. Anyone know the name of the school?


PRW at Lora Dr.


PRW at Bellahouston Dr.
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Back at Titwood Rd. The creamery buildings have been replaced by new housing.


He isn't drunk, just pushing the sliding door open.
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Dropping off the returns.


Recharging.


The, er, fleet.
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Peter the Checker was renowned for his straight talking. At least you knew where you stood with him. Here he is making a point to one of the drivers.


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To prop up declining milk sales, we were supposed to punt produce – cream, yoghurt, bread, potatoes, juice, ginger. A consignment of spuds has arrived.


Hand-to-hand was more efficient than carrying.



and throwing more efficient still, maybe.
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Peter demands an explanation for something or other.


Peter and Bob (I think – he had only just been relocated from another depot that had been closed).




The big joke was that Peter, as you may have noticed, was a diehard bluenose.
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Many of the floats had batteries in need of replacing but the depot budget didn't run to that, so this vehicle was much in use. It was generally on the coldest mornings that the floats ran out of juice, and they had of course no form of heating whatsoever. Then, long before mobile phones appeared, you had to find a phone box that hadn't been vandalised, only to find that you were 4th or 5th in the waiting list to get towed back. Oh, what fun it was.




Not even proper towing equipment, just any old bit of rope.


The transport hut.
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Alec the Manager managing.






Alec was ok, managing a business in a declining  sector can't be easy. He liked this shot, showed he was good at employee relations.
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Cashing in on a Friday night.




You can see the cogs turning.
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The office girls. Sorree sorree, can't remember any names.





Ashtrays, adding machines, black GPO telephones – and not a computer in sight.
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discominer

Great stuff. Where was that?
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Girl with her priorities sorted.


The Bell Punch Co. 'Plus' adding machine told jokes as well.






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The Christmas Party.




Reflection? Double exposure? I really can't account for the Damoclean knife (and 2 LPs) in the top corner.
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The boys join in. I remember Boney M were getting big licks, Mary's Boy Child, Babylon, Brown Girl.


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That 'Ffs don't show this to the wife' look.


Hendry's Double Top Cola with maybe a drop of something added.
Clansman66

Absolutely love these, wish I had taken photos of jobs I had 30 odd years ago after I left school.
Have an uncle who years ago worked for East Kilbride Dairy farmers as a tanker driver, they had a bottling plant in Bridgeton in Silvergrove St which I used to love visiting as a kid, watching the glass bottles whizzing round and getting fiilled!!
Really miss glass bottles and milk floats!!
Would love it if anyone had Silvergrove St photos anywhere, have checked out the usual places.
rotten milk



i wonder if he got hell to pay when the mrs. found out where her good prestige kitchen knife went!  

(seems to be the same one in the knife/albums spooky shot)

fabulous pics, yet again an amazing record of the everyday and mundane - at the time not worth thinking about, but years down the line a wonderful archive of how we used to be

top stuff
tombro

Streap,

Just gone through your whole posting and thoroughly enjoyed it !

I left Glasgow for Oz at the end of 1960 but your pictures remind me lots of where my Granny lived in McGregor Street in Craigton/Govan/Tewkerhill.  Never really know which one it was supposed to be called.

Thanks again for reviving some long forgotten memories.

Tombro  
hillmanimp

Absolutely brilliant!  

What a bit of social history from a time that people weren't used to documenting it.

Many thanks for sharing it.

 

Imp
Merlot

Excellent, thanks for posting them.
fastnet

Another excellent thread streap......
Doog Doog

[quote="streapadair:64165"]PRW at the Berryknowes Rd lights. Anyone know the name of the school?
quote]

That was the original Cardonald School. Lourdes was about a block up from that.

That was a great set,thanks for sharing,Streapadair.
cybers

streapadair wrote:





Is that Kenny Dalgliesh in the back moonlighting ?
rotten milk

mmm mebbes aye....mebbes no.....
cybers

pmsl  
norrie

Hi Strepadair, I have just found this thread, so glad that you posted the photos of your time as a milk man on the web, too good to end up on the cutting room floor.
I knew folk would find them interesting, keep them coming
cell

Strepadair, great photos! I wish we had more of people at work, everyone seems quite happy to be photographed and not much posing!
HollowHorn

Re: Glasgow in the 1970s - my Co-op milk round, c1978

streapadair wrote:
Morrison Electricar

Not sure which make of 'float' we used in Clydebank but I'll never forget the 'acid' smell of re-charging batteries when we went in of a morning. Boak.

Cheers for the photos.
streapadair

Thanks all, for the comments. Great that some people got enjoyment from them. They were a good bunch of guys and gals to work with, but the job itself was middling-pish and I wasn't sorry to leave it behind. With a Tory win in the '79 election looking likely, I thought I'd better find something a bit steadier before axes started falling.

As a wee supplement, here's what a couple of milk bottles can do to your hand.  It had been a mild wet winter night (so no gloves), but at dawn the sky cleared, the temperature plummeted, and the pavements turned to ice. It was the last drop of the day when I went down. Drove back with my right hand out the window, elevated to minimise the bleeding. Dozen or so stitches at the Vic.

norrie

Hi Strepadair, thats right, keep the best till the last
I cant stand blood
Doog Doog

norrie wrote:
Hi Strepadair, thats right, keep the best till the last
I cant stand blood


At least it was taken after getting stitched...
cell

owh ya! sore one
REV GREEN

Stunning these should be in GOMA or the People Palace , !
REV GREEN

A work of genius , and great pictures too.

How many people take photos of their work, considering how long we spend there not many.


Thanks so much for posting
Marti

Superb documentary of your time back then sir...Loved looking at your pictures of a bygone time...excellent...
Fjord

Another great thread and a belated reply to Streapadair due to a terrible winter here in Norway.
Co-Op depot Titwood Road September 1989




streapadair

Thanks for all the kind and appreciative comments, I'm amazed so many people find these photos of interest.

Fjord - just where do you keep this Time Machine? Does the CIA know about it? (Strachan Kerr, of course, I'd been trying to remember the name of the catering firm next door.)
cybers

Fjord keeps these momentos and keep sakes from his time on set as a fluffer in the **ahem** Adult Film Industry
norrie

Hi Cybers, OK I will bite ,whats a flufffer and whats adult film industry
Great seeing old photos of Glasgow
cybers

norrie wrote:
Hi Cybers, OK I will bite ,whats a flufffer and whats adult film industry
Great seeing old photos of Glasgow


Norrie stop kidding on yi dinny know ... you were his grip boy    
norrie

Hi Cybers
Fat Cat

Great photies.   Was the past such a litter free environment?
fatweegee

streapadair wrote:
PRW at the Berryknowes Rd lights. Anyone know the name of the school?


PRW at Lora Dr.


PRW at Bellahouston Dr.


Cant remember the schools name but it was where the Careers Office was in the late 80's
fatweegee

Re: Glasgow in the 1970s - my Co-op milk round, c1978

streapadair wrote:
In the 1970s I was a feckless, ambitionless wastrel (nothing changed there, then), and from time to time when in need of some readies I would put in a few months as a milkman, working out of the SCWS Glasgow South Creamery in Titwood Road. This was the pre-Thatcher era, when jobs were there for the asking, and if you didn't like the one you were in you could go next door and probably get another.

The hours I worked there were bizarre, some days 4am-8am,  others 4am-9pm, and it was a 6-day 48-hour week, but the short days did give me daylight hours at all seasons to wander round with a camera, and much of the stuff I've put up on this site was a result of this.

The doorstep delivery of milk was still just about viable at this time, and indeed there was competition from Cuthbertson's (in Vicarfield St.) and Scottish Farmers  (Helen St. was it?), but already the supermarkets were undercutting the milkman by some margin and doorstep sales were dropping fast. Increasing ownership of fridge/freezers and cars contributed too. I worked for a wage plus commission, but not long after I finally left (early 1979) the Co-op introduced a franchise system whereby the roundsman leased his vehicle and bought the milk from them, effectively working for himself, but I don't think this delayed the demise of the business by many years.

I'm not sure I enjoyed the work much, though it had its consolations, and I can't imagine why I felt the need to record it.  This material, even more than the other Glasgow stuff, I dismissed as worthless and a shameful waste of time, but distance does lend some enchantment, and I can't remember (can you?) when I last saw an electric milk float on the streets of Glasgow, or for that matter a glass milk bottle on a doorstep.

In these photos you will see quite a lot, rather too much I fear, of Morrison Electricar UGB 376H  for which I apologise, and the area I worked at the time, from Craigton via Moss Heights to Cardonald, has changed very little in 30 years so there is next to no historical interest in them. In fact I'm not at all sure it's worth posting this lot, but anyway here goes.


Ready for the off.





In my primary school years - 1975-1982 our (FREE) milk came from CWS at Titwood Road, always raised a snigger from the boys in the class when someone read out the address.......
norrie

Hi Fatweegie, I cant see how the address Titwood rd would cause laughter oh how easy it was to laugh when we were young
Fireman

streapadair - what an archive of photographs!

Real people doing real work, they took me right back to my early days, thank you posting them ....... and the foresight in taking them.

I love the styles, the fact that people back then could poke each other with a sharp stick over religion and not call the police in, no Health & Safety to talk of, ashtrays on most of the desks (and I've never smoked!), the girls hairstyles and the men who were just getting on with life as best they could.

And I do agree with a previous poster, such a complete set of images like yours should be kept for the future by a professional archive.

Thank you for taking them and then 40 years later sharing them with us - they've made my day.  
johnny

Cracking pictures.

I was a milk boy for years,Toryglen,Rutherglen,Mt Florida.

Done a wee stint with the Coop,Perrats(sp) was about two year with Scottish Farmers.

Friday night collecting could be a fekn nightmare,bogus milk boys collecting the money an hour before i was due.
Getting chased out of Pinkerton and Old Toryglen,on the back of the float throwing empty bottles at the bassas while Davy the Milk Man was flooring it.
The Milk thiefs?no sonner had you delivered the milk,the bassas would be at your back,it got worse when we started delivering ginger,bread and eggs,they could steal their breakfast.
weechookieburdie

Oh, this has brought back memories of me as a wee lassie in the '60's, it was great to open the (tenement) door and the milk was sitting there, every door/flat had its regular order! No homogenised stuff then, I always tried to get there first to get the cream on my cornflakes (selfish!)! I remember it was like a Major Incident if somebody had their milk nicked...gawd help the perpetrator if they'd been caught, these 1960's housewives still used rolling pins! :)
clarkfield

Agree with Doog Doog earlier, who said it was Cardonald School. But I'm sure it was Cardonald Junior Secondary School. This was where you went if you didn't have enough marks to get into Bella or Govan High. In the days of the old Qualifying Exam. Cardonald Primary was in Angus Oval.
Bob.
Jock1965

What a great series of photos from the milkman.  I was a milkBOY from June 6th 1980 to January 6 1982 with three different outlets. I am fan of anyone who 'does the milk'.
Car-D

Thanks to StreapAdair for posting these superb pictures. Really enjoyed seeing these pictures of Cardonald and Craigton, also the milk depot and workers. Excellent little insight into that period of time. I was a milk boy myself, worked for Cuthbertsons in Govan. Early rise in the morning to walk along the 'miler' from KP to catch my horse and cart (lol) Yes, Cuthberstsons still had a horse and cart delivering the milk in those days (69 - early 70's) when I worked there before going to school in the morning. Great times!
dickyhart

Great stuff. i was a milkboy form 1985 to 1988. Worked out of wisemans in keppochhill road. our run was burmulloch, the red road flats springburn and germiston.

I used to fall asleep in school because i was so tired sometimes, but i loved it.
Ruchazie Rat

Thank you very much, StreapAdair.  This is exactly the kind of thing we want to see on these boards.  
serrabash

Ma wee Brother used to deliver the Milk in East Kilbride .Ma Da got fed up wi being wakened up at 5 o'clock in the morning,so a device was invented for the Milkman to get Him out of Bed.We lived in a Semi detached and my Brother slept at the back.The solution was a long Rope tied to my Brother's ankle and hung out the Window.The driver would yank on it to wake my Brother up without wakening the whole House.All went well until one Morning He yanked the Rope so hard he almost pulled my Brother out the Window,that was the end of that grand scheme  
Ruchazie Rat

Your Da didn`t happen to be an animator for The Road Runner & Wily E Coyote cartoons, did he?

   
Cal

I totally thought doorstep delivery had died when I was still a kid, certainly by the early 90s, but then when my wife and I moved to Kelvindale in 2006, I was surprised to find it still existed.  Sad to see the foil caps were long gone, though at least I didn't have magpies getting into the milk!  

Over here doorstep milk delivery disappeared decades ago, probably in the early 1970s.
streapadair

Me too, thought supermarkets etc. had killed it stone dead, but it seems that McQueens still deliver out their depot in Port Dundas.

It was blue tits that had the biggest reputation for pecking through the foil caps and pinching the cream.
s2art

Milk round

Great set of good quality photos.  I know the area well and it was great to see it as it was.  In many senses not much changed but the hairstyles, clothes and paraphernalia really make it.  A true social record.  Should have the prints in the Mitchell.
streapadair

Thanks, glad you enjoyed them.

I'd hope the whole archive will end up with the Mitchell, if they want it.
norrie

Hi strepadair, they take mine and I am positive they will snatch yours
I deal with a librarian called Patrica Grant

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