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James

Glasgow Railways Discussion Thread

All comments about this section in here folks.  
cybers

Well that is a good start James.
I kinda rebelled from all things Choo-Choo as it was my dad's career path not mine.
Now he is gone i seem to have developed an urge to see and do more about rail...
I must confess i took the train to his funeral in hartlepool and i think it was the first train ride in over 20 years. I was actually surprised how different, clean and comfortable it is to travel by train now ....
Well till you get to Newcastle and get on them little shuttle trains out to hartlepool...
Jesus thought i was gonna get a set of pedals on that bugger...

Looking forward to what that railway thread will develop into well before they introduce anti terror measures it should be good...
HollowHorn

Bob Dylan outside Queen St. Station in 1966:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yDkBfJP2bM
cybers

HollowHorn wrote:
Bob Dylan outside Queen St. Station in 1966:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yDkBfJP2bM

Smashing find ... Reminded me of Neil Young busking in the central video but the buggers at YouTube have take it off.
sputnik

he was just a young pup when wee matt mcginn was on the same bill as him at carneggie hall new york.
neilmc

Due to bad editing/continuity, or just plain ignorance, the Martin Scorsese documentary that this clip came from gave the false impression that it was Manchester.
Alycidon

Terminus to Terminus

Here is a challenge to all, not just railway enthusiasts, inspired by a recent post on another thread.
Find the shortest route from each of the four Glasgow Terminus stations to the other without reversing.  All lines closed/open can be used
So we are looking for the route from Glasgow Central to Glasgow St Enoch, Queen Street etc.
The easiest one is from Central to Buchanan Street, leaving Central by the main line to Rutherglen, then by Rutherglen West Junction, Strathclyde Junction, Dalmarnock (High Level), Parkhead Forge, Robroyston West Junction, Milton Junction and into Buchanan St.  By my reckoning this is the only one that can be done without leaving he city boundaries!!

Jim
James

Good idea.  

I can think of another one that doesn't leave the city boundaries. St Enoch to
Queen Street. St Enoch platfoms 1 or 2, northeast to Saltmarket Junction(?), up
through Belgrove, turn left up the Springburn branch, through Springburn and
then turn left along the Cowlairs Chord into QS High Level.


James H
Alex Glass

Now wouldn't it be good to use the aerial photos to show how this can be done.

If the coverage allows  
LowLight

Although I haven't got a clue where all the trains go this would be great in Google Earth.
James

james73 wrote:
Good idea.

I can think of another one that doesn't leave the city boundaries. St Enoch to
Queen Street. St Enoch platfoms 1 or 2, northeast to Saltmarket Junction(?), up
through Bellgrove, turn left up the Springburn branch, through Springburn and
then turn left along the Cowlairs Chord into QS High Level.






James H
cybers

Great map James...
I see it still has the Dalton Branches in Glenpark St
I sat in there as a kid and watched them cut up more than one old loco.  
Fjord

Bridgeton Railway Depot

Bridgeton Carriage and Servicing Depot c.1960's opened 1892 closed 1987 along with Hyndland Depot with all work transferred to Yoker Depot.



Doog Doog

railway discussion

I'll need to have a delve through the ol' photos,somewhere there is some photos taken at hyndland depot just before it shut.
cybers

Re: Bridgeton Railway Depot

Fjord wrote:

Bridgeton Carriage and Servicing Depot c.1960's opened 1892 closed 1987 along with Hyndland Depot with all work transferred to Yoker Depot.



Left from there on more than one occasion...
Played there as a kid in and out of the carriages sneaking through them when the BTP appeared trying to outsmart them with a bloody good game of hide and seek.
Back in the days when you were more likely to leave with a good boot in the arse and a strong lecture on the nature of electricity than a court date.

I passed this not long ago (1st time in 20 odd years) i needed a part for my heating from a place in Orr st, bloody housing on the site.
We also played in the signal box that was there too when it was taken offline.... Still had Leccy and heating and a great wee place to take a burd
jonno22

superb work guys. James - great map. I will be taking photographs of the abandoned and disused railways / tunnels within Glasgow (I have already) but will be getting new collections of photographs over the next few months. I will keep you all informed though of when I visit these fascinating 'what once were' railway lines / tunnels

Best Regards

Jonathan McGurk

Railway and Freelance Photographer

www.jonathanmcgurk.fotopic.net
Stuball

Hi jono and welcome to urbanglasgow

If you are going to visit any disused tunnels, its not the best idea to make it public knowledge my friend
jonno22

Ok Doke. I get the idea Stuball;)

Best Regards

Jonathan McGurk

Railway and Freelance Photographer

www.jonathanmcgurk.fotopic.net
cybers

But a few well placed PM's can get some company....  
rotten milk

back to the OP

how about queen st., round the cowlairs chord, past springburn station, past sighthill goods, to join up to the caley line through st. rollox (pass) into buchanan st.?

or a 5 min. walk up the hill instead?
James

rotten milk wrote:
back to the OP

how about queen st., round the cowlairs chord, past springburn station, past sighthill goods, to join up to the caley line through st. rollox (pass) into buchanan st.?

That would involve reversing, which was specified as a no-no.  



James H
rotten milk

no, i thought there was a line from sighthill jn, avoiding the goods depot , then west at st. rollox - i take it, then, that all the lines went into the goods depot?
EDIT: from the 1894 OS map

but zooming in:


it's like the line i need was proposed, but not actually built - the lines are there, but not 'connected' to the main-line on the map.
maybe to avoid facing connections on the main-line?
OR was it a link that existed, but has been taken out of use?
James

rotten milk wrote:
no, i thought there was a line from sighthill jn, avoiding the goods depot , then west at st. rollox - i take it, then, that all the lines went into the goods depot?
EDIT: from the 1894 OS map

but zooming in:


it's like the line i need was proposed, but not actually built - the lines are there, but not 'connected' to the main-line on the map.
maybe to avoid facing connections on the main-line?
OR was it a link that existed, but has been taken out of use?

I don't think those lines were ever built. I may be wrong, but I've never seen
those lines on any other map, and I never saw any evidence of those lines when
I explored the site many moons ago.



James H
Alycidon

Found the answer to this conundrum - in 1871 the Caledonian Railway opened a signal box at "Sighthill West Junction", but the book "The Register of Scottish Signalboxes" by Alexander and Nichol, states that the line was never used.  My theory is that the Caledonian and the N.B. entered into an agreement to build a link line to allow N.B trains the use of Buchanan Street during the reconstruction of Queen Street, which took place between 1879 and 1888, but then fell out over working arrangements.  The "Junction that never was" closed in 1934, being replaced by an Intermediate Block Signal Arrangement.

Jim
Alycidon

Hi all - I have started a project to map the closed railways in Glasgow, using as a basis a table found on the web and thankfully saved as an Excel spreadsheet as the site is no longer active. There are several lines listed that are somewhat obscure, as they refer to mineral or industrial lines. Two examples are as follows, both are in the Anniesland/Knightswood area on the branch to Knightswood mineral depot previously discussed on another thread.

The lines are "Anniesland, Hunters Siding to Knightswood Mineral Depot" closed 7th June 1965 and (KNIGHTSWOOD SOUTH JN) to Baird's Siding, closed 1st October 1971. I do know the location of Knightswood Mineral Depot and Knightswood South Junction, but if anyone can help me with the location of Hunters Siding and Bairds Siding I would appreciate it. I think that Bairds was Temple Iron Works on Crow Road, but Hunters completely eludes me.

Any help would be appreciated, here are the maps so far, I hope the file sizes are not too big, they are bitmaps as I want to keep updating them.




North East:-

South East:-

South West:-

North West:-


Mod Edit (Fixed Photo Links)
Stuball

I tried fix your links there but the forum wont accept them because they are bmp images. Perhaps you could save a copy of them as jpg for us?
Alycidon

Here they are as Jpegs






JBH
Doog Doog

 Good stuff Alycidon,must've taken ages.
Alycidon

Maps updated, links as per originals..

Jim
AbsoluteHerbert

Alycidon,

Obscure question of the week!

What exactly happened at Cathcart Station/ West Junction on 30th September, 1960?
James

AbsoluteHerbert wrote:
Alycidon,

Obscure question of the week!

What exactly happened at Cathcart Station/ West Junction on 30th September, 1960?

I would hazard a guess the layout was remodelled to allow trains from the circle
to head towards Newton.




James H
AbsoluteHerbert

Alycidon,

What was going on either side of Eglinton Street between February and June 1966?

Your maps are creating so many questions!!
Alycidon

James H has got Cathcart spot on, I couldn't upload or see photographs at work and made a similar diagram - not needed now!!

As for Eglinton Street I am not sure what AbsoluteHerbert is referring to, could you add some detail to your question - I am more than happy to answer questions, I have a few myself - there are some gaps in the dates, most particularly the closure date for High Street Goods Station, the nearest I have is 1982, but if anyone knows the date I would appreciate the info, there are also a few industrial sidings referred to in the original spreadsheet I am working from, some of these I have had to make an educated guess at their position, these are
Banner Oil Siding - assumed to be close to Inchbelly bridge between St Rollox Works and Port Dundas.
Fleming Bros siding - same area
Near Anniesland I am still not sure that I have got Hunters Siding and Bairds Siding correct.

Still a lot to do but I will plod on!!

Jim

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cybers

82 would tie in about right for the closure of the goods yard at High St and Duke St.
Police caution and a fit in my erse in 2nd year for playing in the yard and building with 2 pals as they were clearing it.
Eyes still water when i think about that big doc martin
Doog Doog

Alycidon, a bit more info for you.
There was carriage sidings and a small goods yard on the down side of Crookston station which closed in the early 60's,was still in use in 1961.

There were 4 goods yards on the Cathcart Circle:
Mount Florida......... closed 23/1/61
Cathcart (original station)........ closed 5/4/65
Pollokshaws East........ closed 1/6/59
Maxwell Park......... closed 6/1/64

On the Paisley map,I think Chain Rd. goods is too far up.Should be before Meikleriggs goods.
Its in part of the area I work in and one of the landscaped areas was once part of the line from Ferguslie to Stanely,the retaining wall of a loading bay is still there,if overgrown.Meikleriggs goods was where a glue factory was once located and the route is now obliterated by housing.
The bridge that Ferguslie station sat on was still in situ until about 1985 when it was demolished and landscaped.Got a photo of Ferguslie station in the late 50s which I'll scan and post with some other stuff when I get pics taken.
cybers

Now i spent a few hours in the local library this morning researching some local history when i came across a mentioning of a local toff having a ride on Hamilton's Ariel Railway at Kelvingrove.
This is the first time i have heard of it so have tried to dig a little deeper...
I have a photo of the thing but alas no 64bit drivers for my scanner so i will need to wait till i get to my mothers.
In another cutting in the library there was mention of a 1 mile mountain railway in a Glasgow park and was wondering  if they might be one and the same.


More digging on this one it think.
Doog Doog

Doog Doog wrote:


On the Paisley map,I think Chain Rd. goods is too far up.Should be before Meikleriggs goods.
Its in part of the area I work in and one of the landscaped areas was once part of the line from Ferguslie to Stanely,the retaining wall of a loading bay is still there,if overgrown.Meikleriggs goods was where a glue factory was once located and the route is now obliterated by housing.
The bridge that Ferguslie station sat on was still in situ until about 1985 when it was demolished and landscaped.Got a photo of Ferguslie station in the late 50s which I'll scan and post with some other stuff when I get pics taken.


Just to saythe pics for the above will be in the wannabe glasgow section.
chateau du lait

Fascinating map Alycidon and worth of a comment for my first post I wonder if you could tell me roughly where the track branched off to go to the Aitkenhead Colliery? Thats my neck of the woods, I heard there was an old mine up where the ASDA is on Prospecthill Road but I cant work out how  the track would have got there from the Cathcart Circle.
Keep up the good work!
norrie

turkish locomotives

Not sure if this the correct thread but are any of you interested in seeing Turkish steam locos, take by me iin the 90s
They are all static, at an open air museum near Kussadassi
Bye for now, norrie
Stuball

Aye, stick them in this thread http://urbanglasgow.co.uk/about71.html
norrie

turkish locos

Hi Stuball, Ok I will add that to the to do list

Bye for now, norrie
Alycidon

chateau du lait wrote:
Fascinating map Alycidon and worth of a comment for my first post I wonder if you could tell me roughly where the track branched off to go to the Aitkenhead Colliery? Thats my neck of the woods, I heard there was an old mine up where the ASDA is on Prospecthill Road but I cant work out how the track would have got there from the Cathcart Circle.
Keep up the good work!


Hi CDL - the exact position of the junction was exactly where Kings Park Station is now, the line curved sharply to the north and followed exactly the line of Aitkenhead road, the formation being to the immediate west of the road.  The mine was at the side of the road opposite Hampden Park.  Go to the old-maps.co.uk website, type in Cathcart in the search engine and find the 1915 1:10,560 map, you will see the junction on this, you can then switch to the 1938 map and see how the housing development obliterated any trace of the formation.
This site has been relaxed recently, at one time you could only pan and zoom on the oldest map (1864), but I notice now that you can pan and zoom  on any 1:10,560 map which is a great help, this feature is still unfortunately locked on the 1:2,500 maps which is a real bummer.
chateau du lait

Thanks for that
Fjord

An empty Glasgow Central Station... disused platform subways that once exited onto Hope Street or Argyle Street.    



cybers

Those subways look rather interesting..
Doog Doog

I can vaguely remember using those a few times in the late 60's/early 70's.
Brought you out at a ticket office at the Hope St.entrance,across from Denholms. The ticket office was situated where the bottom of the escalator is at platforms 12 & 13.
The passageway from the platforms was in the corner where the escalators to the low level platforms are.
cybers

Thanks DD ,
Never actually gave them any thought till Fjord posted em but seen them many times when in the station with my auld boy.
glasgowken

cybers wrote:
Those subways look rather interesting..

Indeed they do, i'd love a chance of a wee tour down there ?    
If it's being arranged anytime, please count me in.
Fjord

There's now't much to see as the est side of the station has been bricked up and apart from a couple of ceramic tiled platforms numbers in the passageway dating from the Caledonian Railway era it's pretty unremarkable.
You'll certainly not find the secret entrance to the abandoned streets of Grahamston complete with 19th century window displays intact etc. however there's some evidence of discarded fag ends pre-dating the smoking ban and dust... lots of dust.
schiehallion

When the Central was first built it only took in the area now covered by platforms 1 to 9 and the roof stopped short of the Argyle St bridge.  Looking at an aerial view today you can clearly see the original roof with ridges running north/south. The Hielanman's Umbrella was therefore an open bridge and you'd walk under it to enter a foyer under the bridge where, presumably after getting your ticket checked, you entered the subway and ascended to stairs to your chosen platform just like at say Paisley Gilmour Street.

In those days the platforms were numbered 1-9 in reverse of today, platform 9 being nearest to Union St.

Imagine getting off a train and being in Argyle Street in under a minute!
daviejam

Hi all

I've only recently become aware of the St Enoch's station which used to exist. After a good few drunken conversations with taxi drivers on my way home from nights out; I took my bike out yesterday and tried to get onto one of the old bits of track.

Here's a map showing where I got to:


I got quite far along and then encountered some serious overgrowth. I'd love to get farther so I could get onto the rail line that looks to remain (according to google maps)

I didn't take many pictures but came across this site when I got home and started googling, so next time I go looking I'll get more.

This is for reference, showing the Greek Thomson church from the rail line.



And this is a picture of the wall of trees which stopped me getting further.



I noticed on another thread that possibly this would go on to meet up with a still in use line called the city union line? Would that be right? (this picture was taken by james73)



Thanks guys and I really love this site
Stuball

Hi Davie,

I've been right along through the undergrowth but I wouldn't recommend going right up to where it meets the track... it's a live line and you would be very liable for prosecution. The bridge by the Brazen head is probably about the furthest you can go and after that, you can be very exposed and spotted


The Bridge by stuballscramble, on Flickr
horza

I was driving past Cumberland St Station a few weeks back and noticed the local neds had ripped down some of the boarding near the entrance so took the opportunity to head inside for a few photos. This is the station opposite the Brazen Head.



Entered the above photo on a competition on Bing. Would really appreciate if anyone who likes it can vote for me a few times please! Link - http://competition.your-britain.com/hphoto.aspx?id=3323




My friend also took a video there as well if anyone is interested:

James





James H
Charlie Endell

 

Great video - always wanted to see what the inside of the station and what's left of the platforms looked like - now I have!
Doog Doog

Great bit of work.
horza

thanks. Hopefully we will visit a few more and can bring you some more pics and videos.
stan63

I had a look at the youtube abandoned scotland pages and the video is fantastic in HD. Some other great videos of interesting sites too. The editing and music are superb.
iankemp

Dumbarton East Signal Box

Hi all i am new on here, This may not constitute as in Glasgow.

But i was wondering if anyone had any pictures of Dumbarton East Signal Box, it sat near the west side of the station and at the head of the line that ran towards the shed and goods yard? There is remains of the bricks that shows where it once was. I have searched near enough all of Google. I have done image and net searches, but to no avail can i find any, nope not a bean!

Ian
casey

Eglington Street Station

Has anyone noticed the old Eglington Street Station recently. They are painting a new "Welcome to Glasgow" mural on the old station wall. It is not quite finished yet but it does look good.

Just wondering how much tax payers money it is costing and how long will it be before the Glesca neds spray over it.
BTJustice

Re: Eglington Street Station

casey wrote:
Has anyone noticed the old Eglington Street Station recently. They are painting a new "Welcome to Glasgow" mural on the old station wall. It is not quite finished yet but it does look good.

Just wondering how much tax payers money it is costing and how long will it be before the Glesca neds spray over it.


Its an unwritten rule in the graffitti comunity that you dont deface another artists work so by painting a mural that looks nice you dont have to clean off the crap tags left by the not so tallented spray painters.
Stevie

Just to let folk know, if your seen on or near a railway line then all train drivers have been instructed to report trespassers immediately due to the amount of cable theft thats been going on & the fine is now 1000 if your caught trespassing.

also, the old city union line is still used daily with a minimum of 4 trains a day going over it, though most of them rum late at night or very early in the morning.
MacBorracho

I have been trying to get a good set of images to show the new "Welcome to Glasgow" Mural.



Click on image to get to Imgur then select again to get biggest version.
bob1

re terminus to terminus

surly rutherglen west is not witin city bounderies regrds bob
bob1

glasgow railways

it maybe exsists but if not would it be poss able to include a search for old family members who worked on the railways think it would throw up som interesting facts  about GSWR CALIDONIAN PAISLEY ARDROSSAN ECT ECT
regards bob1
iankemp

If any of you are on Facebook, I have created a group for the former railway of Glasgow. Would be good if you could post pictures on there as well.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/314048332104580/

Moderator Edit

No need to Spam the forum with the exact same post across many threads.

DavidMcD316

Glasgow Central Tours...

http://glasgowcentraltours.co.uk

From this friday.

Over 16s only, 10.
Marblez

Re: Glasgow Central Tours...

DavidMcD316 wrote:
http://glasgowcentraltours.co.uk

From this friday.

Over 16s only, 10.


And I have an "Error establishing database connection" ... would appear that Joe Public has crashed the system ..... again
norrie

I think I will wait till the fuss dies down
cybers

Personally I don't actually get all the fuss thing anyway. Apart from the roof walk your not getting to see anything out of the ordinary unless the old Red Star vaulted chambers is high on the list of things you must see... Not like there is a huge Grahamston down there that a tenner is getting you a wander around. Remember your only getting a view of things you could wander into by accident.  
Marblez

Site is back up and on reading it would appear that cameras are a big no-no, especially on the roof. As a photographer, it certainly is less appealing to me if I cannot take pics ... there were no such issues when I was in the Clyde Tunnel for the anniversary thing last year
cybers

Quote:
Q. Can I take photos?

A. If on the roof, cameras and mobile phone usage are explicitly banned due to the risk of falling objects. Photos may be taken in some areas of the basement, but only at the agreement of the tour guide.
Marblez

cybers wrote:
Quote:
Q. Can I take photos?

A. If on the roof, cameras and mobile phone usage are explicitly banned due to the risk of falling objects. Photos may be taken in some areas of the basement, but only at the agreement of the tour guide.


Yes that was the bit I was referring to Davie - have a coconut
cybers

Marblez wrote:
cybers wrote:
Quote:
Q. Can I take photos?

A. If on the roof, cameras and mobile phone usage are explicitly banned due to the risk of falling objects. Photos may be taken in some areas of the basement, but only at the agreement of the tour guide.


Yes that was the bit I was referring to Davie - have a coconut


Dont need one, your here  
Marblez

cybers wrote:
Marblez wrote:
cybers wrote:
Quote:
Q. Can I take photos?

A. If on the roof, cameras and mobile phone usage are explicitly banned due to the risk of falling objects. Photos may be taken in some areas of the basement, but only at the agreement of the tour guide.


Yes that was the bit I was referring to Davie - have a coconut


Dont need one, your here


I am a little taste of paradise    
robertpool

for all G&SWR fans on 'Urban'. The original copper printing plate for the 10 Preference Stock shares issue in 1850. The image has been flipped horizontally to show the print otherwise you would see it in reverse.


1850 GSWR Railway Company Copper Plate for 10 Preference Stock by Robert Pool Glasgow Collection, on Flickr
Doog Doog

Great find Robert.
jmac49

Meant to post these photos a while ago .well a long time ago but sorry never got around to it .These pics are of the Hamiltonhill branch at Springburn Rd .Its basically the bridge that ran over Springburn Rd which was filled in at the Stobhill rd side when Ashfieild motors took over the site on the Stobhill rd side of the railway ,later taken over by a few supermarkets ,Kwiksave ,Somerfield and now at the moment Farmfoods, maybe missed a few .sorry. Anyway since these pics were taken the bridge has now been closed up on the other side .So these may be the only photos that exist before the bridge was closed on both sides ,i believe for strenghtening purposes . So if anybody feels they'd like to share or steal these pics (they're pretty boring actually)for any other wbsite knock yourselves out . Ive done it myself . FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY MIND    
jmac49

Sorry had two more photos of basically the same view but better quality .same size photos but when tried to pst it said there where no photos to post will keep trying .cheers
Alycidon

Don't know if anyone else has noticed, but the NLS maps site has released a new range of maps - Highly detailed OS 1:1250 maps dating between 1944 and 1966 of mainly Central Scotland urban areas, Glasgow is there in all it's post war glory.  I have posted this here as the detail that these maps show of the railway system is amazing.

Take a look, but give yourself plenty of time!!!

Sample here (Springburn)  http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/si...&layers=170&right=BingHyb
jmac49

thats a brilliant find .cheers

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