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Alex Glass

Glasgow's Lost Streets/Roads etc

When reading an old Glasgow Guide book from 1872 a number of old streets were named which are now gone.

It got me thinking that this may make a good thread on here to find out if there are any old pictures featuring Glasgow's Lost Streets/Roads. Or may be there is some remnant of these streets left to see.

The ones which I came across are

Canon Street
Stirling Square
Mason Street
Balmanno Street
Great Hamilton Street
Canning Street
Jail Square
Princes Street
Main Street (West of Hope Street)
Graeme Street


Or what about those streets etc that have had a name change like St George's Place.

Do you know of any other old Glasgow Streets/Roads etc which are long gone.
Stuball

Parliamentary Road of course! Long gone with only a slight footprint in the landscape of the path it took
Alex Glass

That's the idea Stu  

Forgot about the ones which have been altered and now only the name remains but the street/road is almost all but gone. Given that I have a family connection with Parliamentary Road I should have thought about that too Thanks
glasgowken

There must be dozens, if not hundreds of smaller streets which have disappeared or found themselves incorporated into other streets.

Risk St in Calton is also gone. It used to be between Bain St & Green St.
Only know about it as this was the site of one of Andrew Menzies horse bus stables.
Alex Glass

All welcome GK  

Good example of yet another street which is now lost.
rotten milk

balmanno street i recognize

ran from where strathclyde uni's john anderson building is, at an angle and on a fckin steep hill, down to george st



also shows tarbett street and dean street on the way down

of course, this whole area was 'disappeared' - it was slum area anyway, then the uni redeveloped what was left
could be included that middle chunk of rottenrow, demolished, built on, hence the remaining bit onto the high st. is called rottenrow east.

1964 view, courtesy virchull michull. middle bit of rottenrow being demolished, balmanno st. running down at top right. the building top right is mentioned in the streapadair thread, became the uni's 'balmanno residence' in which i stayed '87-'89 - looked exactly the same btw
however, i now know the origin of the name!



closer 1955 view of 81 rottenrow, balmanno st.


weaver street, in the vicinity still exists, but only as a wee cul-de-sac off rottenrow east - taylor st. on the left, rottenrow east along the bottom, this view also shows lost streets, the uni's birbeck court now occupy the site

Alex Glass



Outstanding RM



This is the type of information this thread needs. It is amazing how this part of the city has changed beyond recognition. Thanks also for including the photos
Stuball

The original Killermont Street is gone... it used to run south to north while the current one runs east to west.
rotten milk

is killermont street (present) not roughly where parly street was?
a common link between the two was the terminus for buses was killermont. st(past)

again this was a whole area of destruction(i think the pics came from here originally  )






cybers

Vinegarhill St now the forge
along with many many others swallowed up by the same build.

Soho St Gallowgate  + many others but my family were from Soho st i was but a babe when it went. Now Crownpoint Sports

All i can think of at the minute as my head is full of espresso.

erm might be the wrong place to ask but anyone any idea what happened to the cobbles from the top of Yate St that were in the shape of a leg a boot a ball and a set of goals...
Passed the other day when i remembered about these and though picture time ... Grass everywhere no cobbles.  
cybers

cybers wrote:

erm might be the wrong place to ask but anyone any idea what happened to the cobbles from the top of Yate St that were in the shape of a leg a boot a ball and a set of goals...
Passed the other day when i remembered about these and though picture time ... Grass everywhere no cobbles.  


Scratch that found out...
Was moved to the outside of the Bambury Centre.
Now that originally was an adventure playground that really was an adventure.
James

Earlston Avenue, Royston. Linked Rhymer Street and Roystonhill to Royston
Road with the back courts looking onto the Monkland Canal. Now a school
football pitch.

In recent years, a new 'Earlston Place' has appeared on the south side of
Rhymer Street.








James H
hambonio

what about drummond st in townhead,?I think it joined baird st and parliamentary rd next street down from taylor st.maybe someone can dig out an old map of this area as that was where I was brought up,McAslin st  parley rd glebe st in the 50s and 60s
cybers

Its in the map above and joins Kennedy St To Parly Road
James

Cunningham Street (formerly Holmhead Street), city centre. Spanning Queen
Street station not only at great height but also at a bizarre angle. Removed after
years of lying derelict to make way for another shopping centre.


Map showing the old streetname


1960s pics






c.1976 - Cunningham Street on the right


2008




James H
schiehallion

Some examples of streets changing names.

Midland Street which connects Oswald Street and Jamaica Street, where The Arches is, was formerly called Ann Street according to the 1909 OS map.  Clyde Street was then called Great Clyde Street.



This Queen's Park OS map from 1910 shows a wee glut of name changes. Whilst Prince Edward Street still runs parallel with Queen's Park Station on the north side, on the south side, it was Prince Albert Street before it was later renamed Torrisdale Street.

Also, Niddrie Road / Niddrie Square used to be Cromwell Road / Cromwell Square and Balvicar Street was once Camphill Street.



This 1892 OS map shows Gorbals Cross (now the crossroads at the Sheriff Court and the mosque).  What is now Ballater Street running off to the east was at that time, Govan Street.

The mosque has been built where Muirhead Street and the warehouses are.  However the remnants of St Ninian Street still exists today under the appropriately named Mosque Avenue.

Doog Doog

rotten milk wrote:
is killermont street (present) not roughly where parly street was?
a common link between the two was the terminus for buses was killermont. st(past)

again this was a whole area of destruction(i think the pics came from here originally  )









I can vaguely remember as a child,waiting late one night with my parents to catch the coach down to Wolverhampton to visit my grandparents which for many years,was our summer holiday.
GovanX

If anyone has any photos of Keyden Street and Marlow Street in Kinningpark, would be most grateful.
who's the daddy

Renfrew Motorway

Has anyone got any maps from the late 60's/early70's showing the layout of the A8 at Shieldhall where it joined the A8(M)?

Also, can anyone remember the layout at the other end of the motorway where it finished just before Bishopton.  I know it was extended when the Erskine Bridge opened but I can't remember what it was like before this. I remember being able to come off at this junction (now closed) but I don't remember being able to join it at this point.
Vinny the Mackem

Not sure how I missed this! Anyhoo, OP mentioned Jail Square. Is that not just a former name for Jocelyn Square, which is just off Saltmarket at the High Court/mortuary?

Love and Money did a song called Jocelyn Square, which I always liked!  
James

Vinny the Mackem wrote:
Not sure how I missed this! Anyhoo, OP mentioned Jail Square. Is that not just a former name for Jocelyn Square, which is just off Saltmarket at the High Court/mortuary?

Love and Money did a song called Jocelyn Square, which I always liked!  





James H
cybers

Vinny the Mackem wrote:
Not sure how I missed this! Anyhoo, OP mentioned Jail Square. Is that not just a former name for Jocelyn Square, which is just off Saltmarket at the High Court/mortuary?

Love and Money did a song called Jocelyn Square, which I always liked!  


There is always some confusion with this.

Jocelyn Sq was originally across from the front doors of the court now bounded by the arches.
An enterprising team of developers wishing to ressurect the name for a new build on the car park where Jail Sq once stood is perhaps leading to the confusion.

Jocelyn Square was marked by a flag stone sometime in the 80/90's as it was the place of public executions in Glasgow from 1814 to 1865 claiming 67 men and four women.

THey used to hang them facing the monument with their backs to the court for what reason i never did find out.

I remember reading a horror story about one of the womens hanging and her wriggling for ages shocked the crowd rather badly.

cybers

As a wee footnote ...

Most English and foreign mapping companies place this wrongly in front of the NEW High court lol
Vinny the Mackem

Okay, now I'm thoroughly confused - although in fairness it doesn't take much.

NLS stored Ordnance Survey map from 1893 definately has it as Jail Square (Sorry, I cant match them up, but it's definately Jail Square.

http://maps.nls.uk/townplans/view...74416956&mid=glasgow_2_centre

http://maps.nls.uk/townplans/view...74416957&mid=glasgow_2_centre

1927 Post office directory also has it as Jail Square
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsw...com/~glasgow/1927streetlist43.jpg

I'm pretty certain I've spotted a sign up there proclaiming it now to be Jocelyn Square ..... am I talking my usual amount of mince?

Although interestingly, I did discover that the Mortuary Building used to be a Bird and Dog Market! (see the second link!)

P.S. James - aye, that's the song!   [/url]
cybers

The bird and dog market was in Jail Square lol ... Jocelyn Square is where i showed you ... The were hung facing nelsons Monument with their backs to the court ...

All new maps Google Bing Ect put it firmly infront of the new court mate but unless that new court was built in the 19th century and nelsons monument was moved they are all wrong.

Oh and as an asides Jail Sq gets mentioned as the holding place of the condemed man.

Almost all of Glasgows public executions took place on Glasgow Green..
It is also featured in the Love and Money Vid

Next time i am down that way i will grab a photo of the flagstone marking Jocelyn Sq...

EDIT :
Had one already ... save time for Johnny Clownshoes waiting and baiting ....




http://www.clydewaterfrontheritage.com/justiciarycourthouse.aspx
cybers

Jail Sq and Jocelyn Sq are two different places but for some reason the council has clouded matters..
Vinny the Mackem

Pics from this morning (28 September 2010)

At least it's not me who's going mad (for a change) - I blame it on the cooncil!  



cybers

Lol nice new sign in the wrong place surely not !!!
Vinny the Mackem

I just wonder whether the City Council/District Council/Corpy have at some point actualy changed the name of the street, in homage to where they used to kill folk!?!  

Quick squint at the Glasgow Guide seems to suggest so - and the (new) postcode is "C1" - how long since they did away with that and converted to the G postcodes?

Bugger - third edit!
Link to Glasgow Guide
http://www.glasgowguide.co.uk/info-streetschanged2.html

And edit number 4 - the top of that page suggests "prior to 1940's"

Anyone got a Glasgow Post Office Directory after 1927?
Stuball

Vinny the Mackem wrote:
Anyone got a Glasgow Post Office Directory after 1927?


No, but have access to the 1914 valuation roles
Vinny the Mackem

Stuball wrote:
Vinny the Mackem wrote:
Anyone got a Glasgow Post Office Directory after 1927?


No, but have access to the 1914 valuation roles


It's definitely after 1927 - I'd posted a link to the 1927 directory earlier in this thread - so if the Glasgow Guide is also accurate, it's sometime between 1927 and 1940.  I think!!  
DavidHen

Jail Square

I was interested to see the current pictures of the junction of Saltmarket / Jail (Jocelyn) Square. I thought someone might be interested in this MUCH older one of the same site. The street name shown above the word "CLOTHES" is "JAIL SQUARE" (although it won't be clear at this resolution).



David
Vinny the Mackem

Great picture!

However, it's a pity the horse is facing the camera.  Had it faced forward, the barber shop pole would've made it look like a unicorn!
DavidHen

Jail Square

Out of interest, can anyone help to "date" the picture I posted ? I'm guessing 1910 - 1920, but would appreciate more knowledgeable input. I know the shop was "in the family" from 1885 until the very early 1970's (in one form or another).
DavidHen

Here's part of an image showing the same corner dating from, my best guess, the mid 1960's.

Vinny the Mackem

Just to add to the Jail/Jocelyn Square debate, this is a photie of the old High Court entrance, and the sign on the wall.



Close up is not entirely clear (picture taken on a phone and you can't get past the gates!
cybers

I gave up on this its not even a debate...

It was part of a history project i did at school took more than the best part of 6 months for some reason the council decided to move the goal posts on this one for whatever reason best known to themselves...

There are maps in the Mitchell that show Jocelyn and Jail are two different places.

Strange how you choose to ignore the other council laid flagstone i posted marking the exact spot of jocelyn sq...

Some people just cant be convinced.
Robert Pool

i've got a Kellys 1933, 1964, 1971 & 1973, what am l looking for?
discominer

cybers wrote:
the council decided to move the gaol posts


DavidHen

Hi Cybers,

I don't really see any confusion :-

The square NOW called Jocelyn Square USED to be called Jail Square - there is both photographic and cartographic evidence of this. When it changed name has not been established.

It has already been discussed that the council have a history of re-using place names, so it may well be that Jocelyn Square used to refer to the location where public executions took place, nearer to the monument on Glasgow Green. I don't know this to be the case, but it might explain the apparently contradictory posts, and would explain how Jail Square and Jocelyn Square could have co-existed at some time.

I don't think anyone's deliberately ignoring the flagstone picture; the problem for me is that I don't know exactly where it is. Is it in what is now Jocelyn Square, or across the road on Glasgow Green ?

I'm honestly not sure what it is you want to convince us of, but perfectly prepared to be convinced  
cybers

Well surely that would put the new recent jocelyn firmly in the found bracket rather than lost  

Oh and theres no doubt money is involved St Margrets Pl ,Toll Ct or Jail Sq are not really saleable entities for a new housing development...
Jocelyn Square has a nice ring to it ...
Vinny the Mackem

Cybers, not ignoring your photo or info, I just walk past the location on a regular basis, but not through the park.

Personally I'd rather it was still signposted as Jail Square - a nice little address for the new(ish) entrance to the High Court - although I think that the Court's address is technically Mart Street.

I'm more curious to see if there's anything official to confirm the change and when that happened, or if it was a case of quietly sticking a new sign up because someone from the council/corpy thought Jail Square was a bit unbecoming!
3rd-of-6

Vinny the Mackem wrote:
Great picture!

However, it's a pity the horse is facing the camera.  Had it faced forward, the barber shop pole would've made it look like a unicorn!
3rd-of-6

How about Turner Street, Villiers Street, Bright Street and Cobden Street all coming off Charles Street, Garngad.  

Also Crossburn Street, Burnside Street, Abercorn Street in Milton (Cowcaddens) plus Muse Lane off Stewart Street.
stillucan

Unicorn by Vinny!  Best laugh I've had in yonks  
morag4801

Craiganour Place, Hillpark/Newlands/Auldhouse.
The new Tinto Primary School is being built on top of it.  I think it went kind of behind where the football pitch used to be.
EddieB

Abington Strret Maryhill long gone but not forgot had many happy days there :)
hillmanimp

DavidHen wrote:
Here's part of an image showing the same corner dating from, my best guess, the mid 1960's.



Ah!

That's my boy

Imp
Cal

Photos of Earlston Avenue?

I was wondering if anyone has ever seen any photos of Earlston Avenue in Townhead.  My grandmother grew up there, and talked about it a lot, but I've never been able to track down any pics.
James

james73 wrote:
Earlston Avenue, Royston. Linked Rhymer Street and Roystonhill to Royston
Road with the back courts looking onto the Monkland Canal. Now a school
football pitch.

In recent years, a new 'Earlston Place' has appeared on the south side of
Rhymer Street.








James H
Cal

Thanks.  That certainly helps!  Are there any other photos around, does anyone know?
Hawick_1987

There are a few forgotten streets near where I live. The northern portion of Ladywell Street survives, but the southern section was swallowed up by the expansion of Tennents Brewery. The actual Ladywell is just visible at the top end of the street.





It also stands on the location of Wright Street and Parkhouse Street, whilst the eastern flank of Drygate has been curtailed to end at John Knox Street.
Hawick_1987

Two streets that existed in the 1800s, flattened and replaced by the College Railway Goods Yard, have been resurrected with the new Collegelands building plan.

Havannah Street was once described in an 1863 report by the city's medical officer as: "not surpassed by any close in the city for filth, misery, crime and disease; it contains 59 houses, all inhabited by a most wretched class of individuals; several of these houses do not exceed 15 feet square, yet they are forced to contain a family of sometimes six persons."  

This is the street in 2012 from it's junction with Hunter Street


Pettigrew Street - named after it's former lady landowner - veers off to the right from Havannah Street to join Duke Street. New Vennel, which once led to city Butts (archery ranges), Clay Brae and Burnside Street (which followed the Molindenar Burn to Duke Street) have all vanished into the mists of time.
calamity

does anyone know where exactly Toun st was in the Calton.. I was reading a site last night and it mentioned this street from 1845.
calamity

calamity wrote:
does anyone know where exactly Toun st was in the Calton.. I was reading a site last night and it mentioned this street from 1845.


Another wee deadend street Ive found is Fraser st. on the Gallowgate where the Forge Cinema stands now.
cybers

??? Fraser Street was/is in Barrowfield  between Law St and Barrowfield St and runs parallel to Fielden Street Calamity.

The corner where the Reekie Linn once stood was Ravel Row this is the corner of the Forge at the Gallowgate
calamity

ano the Fraser st. in Brigton. my wee mammy wiz born there and wiz surprised when a saw this wee , said cul de sac at that address , it hid two names but wan wiz Fraser st. fun it here Cybers..

http://parkheadhistory.com/?page_id=1483
calamity

calamity wrote:
ano the Fraser st. in Brigton. my wee mammy wiz born there and wiz surprised when a saw this wee , said cul de sac at that address , it hid two names but wan wiz Fraser st. fun it here Cybers.. Reekies wiz 1299 Gallowgate, and this cul de sac is 1181, a remember a wee street ower there when a used tae visit the graveyard in the 50s but never knew the name.. wonder if anyone has a map fae then..

http://parkheadhistory.com/?page_id=1483
cybers

Strange wee site as it has most of Barrowfield listed as Parkhead that wiz a big no-no back in the day !!!
calamity

ave contacted the Mitchell tae check if the wee street did exist...as ave never heard of it .
dukeboxhero

hi Cybers the site is about Parkhead and surrounding areas that is why we included Camlachie. the site is still in its infancy and we hope to expand on it as we go along.
tam
calamity

a friend oan another site says she has an old  map and there is a Frazer st but spelled different from the Barrowfield one..
calamity

calamity wrote:
a friend oan another site says she has an old  map and there is a Frazer st but spelled different from the Barrowfield one..
another Ive never heard of is Manitoba st at Stamford street.. amazing, Id never heard of it..
pwm437

cybers wrote:
??? Fraser Street was/is in Barrowfield  between Law St and Barrowfield St and runs parallel to Fielden Street Calamity.

The corner where the Reekie Linn once stood was Ravel Row this is the corner of the Forge at the Gallowgate


I wrote the piece on Parkhead History concerning Fraser Street. I had mis-spelt it and the cul-de-sac off Gallowgate should have been spelt as Frazer Street and has now been corrected. Fraser Street with an 's' is of course in the Barrowfiled housing scheme.

The Reekie Linn stood at the corner of Gallowgate and Invernairn Street, whilst Ravel Row runs off Westmuir Street and the nearest pub to it is the Prince Charlie.

The Reekie Linn stood almost where the entrance to the cinema is today on Gallowgate at the Forge.
pwm437

calamity wrote:
calamity wrote:
a friend oan another site says she has an old  map and there is a Frazer st but spelled different from the Barrowfield one..
another Ive never heard of is Manitoba st at Stamford street.. amazing, Id never heard of it..


Manitoba Place was a cul-de-sac off 3 Janefield Street. In my time it ceased to exist and had gates across it as it became part of Tennent Caledonian's maintenance depot.
calamity

thanks fur that... so long gone... this is the wee map with Frazer st.. but not as close to the cemetery gates as I thought..was Croft st.. Arch st..

pwm437

Well done Calamity that shows Frazer Street.

Also note, the little closed off shape at the bottom of Janefield Street, just above the letter 'E' is the location of Manitoba Place. The map is also inaccurate insofar as it shows Janefield Street running through to Gallowgate beyond the railway line. This portion was of course Stamford Street. I think the map has reporduced the original line of Porter Street, the predessor of both Janefield and Stamford Streets.
cybers

It's not a spin off site from the Parkhead-people facebook group is it  ???

There is a specific reason I ask apart from the obvious one of letting Norrie aff the leash. Glad you pointed out it was a surrounding areas site and not as the descriptor states PARKHEAD... but then it is a mere pedantic point in general terms ... I am not wishing to question your knowledge but perhaps you can put a pointer to where you got the information of Fraser/Frazer St and the fact Ravel Row crossed Duke Street from the forge shall be overlooked as indeed the only part of the row to exist in its present form is indeed on Westmuir Street....

Oh and if it is Parkhead People ... Please try to resist the urge to remove photographs without permission.
Stuball

cybers wrote:
resist the urge to remove photographs without permission.


Eh?
pwm437

cybers wrote:
It's not a spin off site from the Parkhead-people facebook group is it  ???

There is a specific reason I ask apart from the obvious one of letting Norrie aff the leash. Glad you pointed out it was a surrounding areas site and not as the descriptor states PARKHEAD... but then it is a mere pedantic point in general terms ... I am not wishing to question your knowledge but perhaps you can put a pointer to where you got the information of Fraser/Frazer St and the fact Ravel Row crossed Duke Street from the forge shall be overlooked as indeed the only part of the row to exist in its present form is indeed on Westmuir Street....

Oh and if it is Parkhead People ... Please try to resist the urge to remove photographs without permission.



Firstly, let me deal with Ravel Row. Where does it say it 'crossed Duke Street'? it actually says it runs from 73 Westmuir Street to East Wellington Street, and this is verified if you consult Kelly's Directories.

Frazer Street, the cul-de-sac off Gallowgate is widely shown in A-Z street maps of Glasgow from recent past, as posted by Calalmity. You can also see Frazer Street on Ordnance Survey map 6264SW in better detail.

Fraser Street, the Barrowfield version, is not included in the listing as I felt Barrowfield had more alignment to London Road going towards Bridgeton, and few people would categorise Barrowfield as being part of Parkhead.

Perhaps you can clear something up for me. You said the site had most of Barrowfield listed as Parkhead. What streets are you referring to ?

And finally, Parkhead History has nothing whatsoever to do with Parkhead People, so you can rest easy.
cybers

Stuball wrote:
cybers wrote:
resist the urge to remove photographs without permission.


Eh?


Code:
First off Parkhead people a Faceless Facebook group trolled the pages of here and stole loads of images claimed them mostly as their own and then when called to task abused members. Nothing more than fly by night thieves and charlatans.


Secondly I Like the Parkhead History as a heritage site it is choked full of interesting and useful information But i find your referral to Kelly's who cant even get the majority of existing streets correct on a company search slightly bewildering. I stated that Ravel Row started behind the Reekie Linn You said otherwise ... I played behind that pub while my dad and uncles enjoyed a refreshing beverage and a game of pool on the way home on a saturday from farmfoods in westmuir street and behind that pub was a lampost on the derelict site with a bent and twisted black and white sign that said Ravel Row so lets agree to disagree.

Now back to your original point Camlachie Street not in Parkhead
Stamford Street not Parkhead again Overtown the same Calton parish last time i checked was not Parkhead either but then it was cleared up by the other member from the site who stated the idea was to encompass more or less the east end. Though I find it kinda curious a grown man obviously older than myself still using gang affiliations as his pseudo I.dent each to their own. Welcome all the same.
calamity

Cybers I really dont know pub names up on that area, I only knew the Grange at Camlachie , but is it possible there could have been more than one Reekie Linns , as the one Ive got the address for is on the corner of Invenairn st facing Barrs. I cant see the names but might have been one of these in the photo.. I was more interested in the Frazer st cul de sac as had never heard of it.. or Van st..


http://streapadair.smugmug.com/Hi...8655382_igYKu/11/571677342_sRa9C#!i=571677342&k=sRa9C
pwm437

Hi Calamity, you can see the Reekie Linn pub on the corner of Gallowgate and Invernairn Street. Ravel Row nowhere in sight as it runs off Westmuir Street.
calamity

was just looking at that photo and remembered the woman who used to sit outside the cemetery selling flowers, and Im sure there was a shop or some kind of sculptors yard and shop that made grave stones just over the road.
cybers

Funny I ONLY see the Gallowgate and did i not previously state the row was behind the Reekie ... Wee man  

I only remember that pub as a crop top with the tenement gone Calamity I also do not remember it in this position as that would put it directly opposite the The Black Bull and Barrs though I do admit time could have moved the memory a wee bit ....

The Graveyard was always used as a shortcut home ofr the family from the Reekie or after it was gone The Bull.. One of the uncles passed me bollock naked after getting stripped in the Reekie on his Stag night we were playing in the tree's and he came running past clutching his modesty wearing workboots ... We gave him pelters but god knows what he must have got crossing Janefield St from auld Jeanie Martin then the gauntlet of Dalserf St
cybers

calamity wrote:
was just looking at that photo and remembered the woman who used to sit outside the cemetery selling flowers, and Im sure there was a shop or some kind of sculptors yard and shop that made grave stones just over the road.


That wee woman was still there in the late 80's though mostly only on the weekends. Was she not related to them that owned Carmichaels the Fruit n Veg place at the cross ? Perhaps one of the new parkheed members would know that one ?
calamity

Can anyone tell me who lived in the house that wiz in the inshot at Janefield.. a remember it with a family living in it but never knew if it belonged to the graveyard as wisnae near the main gate..The space is still there where the house stood . wiz up visiting ma grannys grave a few months ago and some of the graveyard is in some mess. Spoke to a nice man who wiz up planting bulbs round his familys graves doon near the back of Celtic Park. andhe said he had to talk to the council to get it mowed at that part.. The bit near the Jews graveyard.. For some reason I seem to remember the woman who sold flowers way back in the 50s having a shop just past the Barras oan London road.. forget the name of the wee street.. but would have changed over the years.. but a might be wrong I seem to mind one of my uncles bein awfully pally with her.. :lol:OH look here,, you can see the wee wummin selling the flowers at the gate.. never seen that before but really no sure if the same person I remember. http://parkheadhistory.com/?page_id=4 oh jist checked.. and am no that auld..  
cybers

Do you mean this Gap-Site Calamity  
http://g.co/maps/kkba7

As I had made enquiries about this a long time ago as we played in it as a derelict in the late 70's but never knew of anyone living in it i can remember.

I mind it had a stables and yard though and we used to use the back wall to get into the cemetery as it was about 4ft high to get up the 8ft part.

Still visible slightly in this shot
http://g.co/maps/pg64d
calamity

aye thats the one... it had curtains on the windows way back in the 50s then it was empty. my auntie who had a gang of weans and lived in Arch st was supposed to move into it at one time.. or so I overheard back then but it never came to anything... I didnae know aboot the stables right enough.. strange hoose..
cybers

Was the transformer built into the hoose ?? was it perhaps Ye Old Undertakers at one time after all they never really used to live far from their work in the old days ...
dukeboxhero







pwm437

Just to clarify the facts on some of the recent posts.

Map 1 shows the Reekie Linn at 1299 Gallowgate

Map 2 shows Ravel Row running parallel with Dervaig Street and Nisbet Street, all three running off Westmuir Street

Map 3 shows Frazer Street off 1171 Gallowgate

Map 4 shows the streets behind the Reekie Linn, namely Invernairn Street, Dunbar Street and Croydon Street

Comments please Cybers.
cell

Dukeboxhero, can you tell us where you got your map extracts and what date they are, are they available online? I’ve never seen the series where the pubs are actually named as opposed to just being marked PH.
pwm437

Hi Cell, the maps are from the Mitchell and are the Ordnance Survey 1 : 10,000 from the 1950's. When the city was surveyed, some of the surveyors would actually record the name of the pub e.g. Reekie Linn, whilst others merely recorded them as 'PH' for public house. Up until recently they were on very limited copying rights, but this has eased in recent times.

Over the years I've managed to more or less map the whole city on this scale. The level of information from this series is excellent, and coupled with a good directory such as Kelly's or GPO, you can build up a good picture of what was happening around then.
cybers

pwm437 wrote:
Just to clarify the facts on some of the recent posts.

Map 1 shows the Reekie Linn at 1299 Gallowgate

Map 2 shows Ravel Row running parallel with Dervaig Street and Nisbet Street, all three running off Westmuir Street

Map 3 shows Frazer Street off 1171 Gallowgate

Map 4 shows the streets behind the Reekie Linn, namely Invernairn Street, Dunbar Street and Croydon Street

Comments please Cybers.


Why do you require comments ? You and kelly and NLS have it all mapped out  
I was speaking with someone on the phone today and they said i was wrong it was Salamanca st which crossed Duke St and the Row ran up the side of the Church on Westmuir Street so for that i hold my hands up i was wrong. Good job on the maps

If you really desire a comment perhaps this one from the National Library of Scotland you overlooked on your travels is better suited to your needs.

Quote:
Copyright

Screen prints may be made of these maps for non-commercial educational and private purposes. Written permission must be obtained in advance to reproduce any digital material from the Library's collections, whether in hard copy or electronic forms


That's the one that opens up a whole interesting web of complications. Cell i posted the linkback to the NLS a few weeks ago. Sign up for free if your still in the UK and get a readers account for the archive stuff.
Beano

calamity wrote:
thanks fur that... so long gone... this is the wee map with Frazer st.. but not as close to the cemetery gates as I thought..was Croft st.. Arch st..

Slatefield street is in the wrong place on this map...
calamity

your quite right Beano it went up from the Gallowgate. well spotted..
dukeboxhero

Heres the photo of the flower seller at the gates of Janefield .Elizabeth McKay sold flowers here from about 1938 till she retired, before Elizabeth the seller was Margaret Havlin next time i talk to the family i will ask if they had a connection to Carmichaels fruit shop

cybers

 Now that is a photo worthy of a salute.
As kids we used to pass the flower seller all the time as the nearest shop after they closed the chippy and the stalls under Croft Bridge was the Jet Garage. There was a nearer one but scheme politics meant we could not use it. When Tully started his Mobile Grocery van it was a godsend to scheme weans and I dare say the older guys too.
norrie

Hi jukeboxhero, great photo, its good to see photos of this kind of thing, I have heard east enders talk of this lady
calamity

love that photi. especially the wee man wae the bunnet..    does anyone remember the gargage at the top of the now gone Tylefield st.. it wiz a Shell and BP garage wae the two pumps tae the right hand side, my auntie lived in the wee strange hooses doon Tylefield. with their own door, a bit like miners cottages..
Beano

calamity wrote:
love that photi. especially the wee man wae the bunnet..    does anyone remember the gargage at the top of the now gone Tylefield st.. it wiz a Shell and BP garage wae the two pumps tae the right hand side, my auntie lived in the wee strange hooses doon Tylefield. with their own door, a bit like miners cottages..
Aye... ah remember the garage, used tae buy ma beanos' an toppers in the wee newsagent next tae it   canna work oot the name of the pub


corner of Tylefield and Gallowgate.
"plundered" photo...
sputnik

flowerseller photo........      
calamity

Brilliant photi Beano, never seen that one... says Dougans pub but dont mind it well.. a see the bank on Soho st. corner there.. and a jist came across some info on McNair the Glasgow eccentric who bought the lands of Jeanfield... (Janefield) for £100.

1751 : JEANFIELD has been occupied as a farm and nursery at that time.
1758 : In this year Jeanfield fell into the hands of Robert McNair (for £100).
Note : Shettleston had been mentioned in 1170 in documents from Pope Alexander as Schedinestun .

McNair was a well known eccentric and built a mansion, which was said to have been so ugly that it became the laughing stock of all those who saw it. It was called JEANFIELD after McNair's wife, Jean.
In 1847 the house was demolished.

These exists an anecdote about McNair's eccentricity:

Apparently Robert McNair brought about a change in the legal customs of Scotland.

It had been common practice that the defendant should - when successful in a court trial - give each juryman one guinea and supper. When McNair was involved in a court case against him, the jury was again expecting the usual ' perks ', however, Mr McNair promised them 2 guineas, a dinner and as much wine as they could drink, if the verdict were in his favour. He won the case !
Sydney Rosewater

Beano wrote:
calamity wrote:
thanks fur that... so long gone... this is the wee map with Frazer st.. but not as close to the cemetery gates as I thought..was Croft st.. Arch st..

Slatefield street is in the wrong place on this map...


That stretch of street running off Whitevale St is called Slatefield St though. They must have shifted the street layout when they built those white maisonettes in the 60's or 70's.
Beano

Syd..I would assume that calamity has an old map because of Wilkie street is shown on the map so it pre-dates the maisonettes. If you look on Lowlights maps (East End) you can see the original layout  

http://urbanglasgow.co.uk/ftopic1767-0.php
Sydney Rosewater

Beano wrote:
Syd..I would assume that calamity has an old map because of Wilkie street is shown on the map so it pre-dates the maisonettes. If you look on Lowlights maps (East End) you can see the original layout  

http://urbanglasgow.co.uk/ftopic1767-0.php



I know what you're saying. But that stretch of street running off Whitevale Street is the present Slatefield Street. The closes, what's left, are along the north side of the street, just off the edge of that map the continuation of Slatefield Street is Comeleypark Street. When all those houses were still there and occupied along with Malvern Ct and all that, they were a pain to deliver mail to. some of them you'd be going up umpteen fights of stairs to get to just one flat. I find that on these maps a lot of 'modern' developments/street re-alignments exist alongside long disapeared streets. For example when I was at St Mungo's in crownpoint rd in the 90's (not the current building, the 70's building that used to be there) the Glasgow A-Z i had was published in 1988, and although it had the school marked on it it also still had Soho St marked on it which was covered by our playground, and Rochester St which was then just a path up the side of the school where people went for a smoke. Also the relatively up to date one I have just now that was published in 2000 or something, still shows in the Calton the group of streets, Risk St, Bankier St etc, which have been no more than narrow 'landscaped' pedestrian paths between bushes for decades.
Wilkie Street itself existed as a pasageway/path between Whitevale St and Millerston St until it was blocked off. Ialways found it interesting finding these dissapeared places on those maps years ago.
calamity

oh I dont remember Wilkie st ataw.. thats interesting.
Beano

Sydney Rosewater wrote:
Beano wrote:
Syd..I would assume that calamity has an old map because of Wilkie street is shown on the map so it pre-dates the maisonettes. If you look on Lowlights maps (East End) you can see the original layout  

http://urbanglasgow.co.uk/ftopic1767-0.php



I know what you're saying. But that stretch of street running off Whitevale Street is the present Slatefield Street. The closes, what's left, are along the north side of the street, just off the edge of that map the continuation of Slatefield Street is Comeleypark Street. When all those houses were still there and occupied along with Malvern Ct and all that, they were a pain to deliver mail to. some of them you'd be going up umpteen fights of stairs to get to just one flat. I find that on these maps a lot of 'modern' developments/street re-alignments exist alongside long disapeared streets. For example when I was at St Mungo's in crownpoint rd in the 90's (not the current building, the 70's building that used to be there) the Glasgow A-Z i had was published in 1988, and although it had the school marked on it it also still had Soho St marked on it which was covered by our playground, and Rochester St which was then just a path up the side of the school where people went for a smoke. Also the relatively up to date one I have just now that was published in 2000 or something, still shows in the Calton the group of streets, Risk St, Bankier St etc, which have been no more than narrow 'landscaped' pedestrian paths between bushes for decades.
Wilkie Street itself existed as a pasageway/path between Whitevale St and Millerston St until it was blocked off. Ialways found it interesting finding these dissapeared places on those maps years ago.
Hi,Syd...I remember the Wilkie Path well stayed in the maisonettes next to it when they first opened, I'm sure the flats had flat roofs at the time. I would agree with you maps can be confusing at times but it's the old Comelypark street and Whitevale street of my childhood I recall. The waste ground next to the old Malvern street was our playground.  
Sydney Rosewater

Beano wrote:
Hi,Syd...I remember the Wilkie Path well stayed in the maisonettes next to it when they first opened, I'm sure the flats had flat roofs at the time. I would agree with you maps can be confusing at times but it's the old Comelypark street and Whitevale street of my childhood I recall. The waste ground next to the old Malvern street was our playground.  


Hello Beano, I tried a while ago to find a photo on the internet of the old Comeleypark St area for an old guy I know who lived there years ago. You maybe know him if your from there, everybody seems to know him, Jimmy Welsh the chimney sweep? Unfortunately I couldnt find one of actual Comelypark st. I think the nearest I could find was one of the bottom of Whitevale st. I remember when I was at school you could still cut through a stairway going underneath the maisonettes an emarging onto Bluevale St. That got all bricked up too, when they put the big fences and gate up.
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