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Dave Carson

Glasgow Subway - Before, During and After

Hi All,

Back in the mid 70s I photo recorded as much as I could about the Glasgow Subway. Little did I realise that I would return as part of a consultancy team seeing some of the modernisation works and now whenever I return to Glasgow I still manage to get a few photos in.

My last visit here was on Sunday 30/08/15 whilst on a British Isles cruise on board 'Royal Princess'. So here goes:

Bridge Street 1976, 1978. 2012 and 2015:







West Street: 1977, 2012




Scotland Street Cable Power House 1977, 2015:



Shields Road 1976, 2015:




Cessnock 1975, 1976, 2012:





There's more to follow in a few days!

Thanks,
Dave
fastnet

WOW... Just when you think you can't be surprised by what comes up on this site a gem like this appears.

Thank you for sharing these great pics Dave....
Dave Carson

Thanks Fastnet, Now the appetites are getting wetted, plus I'm working away from home tomorrow and staying overnight, here's some more until I return to Suffolk on Wednesday:

Copland Road - Later Ibrox 1975, 1976, 1981, 2012:





Car Sheds All pre 1977:






Govan (Formerly Govan Cross) 2012, 2015:



Partick (new station close to former Merkland Street) 1978:
Completed before rest of system:


That's enough now until Wednesday evening!!!

Enjoy!!
Dave
fastnet

Thanks again Dave...... There are some on here that will love this thread.... As I do.
cybers

Every now and then a little gem gets to see the light of day... this is one such gem .... MAGIC
tvdel

Superb photos
Beano

Dave, Wonderful posts mate  
Alycidon

Cracking set of photos, looking forward to seeing more.
Hawick_1987

What a collection! As we say in Hawick, "yer fair gaun yer dinger"!  
Vinny the Mackem

Re: Glasgow Subway - Before, During and After

Absolutely brilliant, Dave.  What this site is all about.  Looking forward to the rest!

Dave Carson wrote:
Hi All,



Are there any of those buildings in that photo still standing?  What are the high rise flats at the back? When I first looked I assumed Norfolk Court, but it can't be.
streapadair

Stirlingfauld, I think, Vinny. 1972-2008.

Wonderful record, Dave.
Vinny the Mackem

streapadair wrote:
Stirlingfauld, I think, Vinny. 1972-2008.

Wonderful record, Dave.


Aye, that looks to be correct!

Odd thing is, I passed by them just about every day for about three years, in late 90's early 2000's and cannot remember them!  
Dave Carson

Nothing in that photo of Bridge Street remains today! My favourite hotel in Glasgow is near there, Premier Inn in Ballater Street.

Dave
Doog Doog

Thanks for sharing Dave.
Dave Carson

Thank You all for your kind comments. Now to complete the circle and some behind the scenes photos.

Kelvinhall (formerly Partick Cross) 2008:


Hillhead 1960s and 2012:



Kelvinbridge 1978 and 2012:




St. Georges Cross 1976:


Buchanan Street 2012:



St. Enoch: 1975, 2008 and 2012:




Remember these in the subway stations?


There's more to come from the best Transport Museum that Glasgow ever had.

Dave
James

Cracking shots.  


James H
royston1964

Like the other guys said, just when you think you've seen everything - absolutely magic...
Dave Carson

Now to close this a few general photos around the old Subway and some from the greatest transport museum that existed in Glasgow:


Car 32, rebuilt with double doors following car sheds crane hook failures in 1954 and 1972! This was part of the 1955 3-car experiment but car 32 carried on as a contractors wagon after the closure in 1977.

Glasgow Museum of Transport, Kelvin Hall - 2008:

Car 1 (left) in as withdrawn condition, Cars 39T and 4 on right in Merkland Street Station setting. Only Cars 39T and 4 are on display at Riverside, everything else in this photo is stored elsewhere (hopefully).


Car 39T restored by Greater Glasgow PTE back to its original 1898 condition as a 4-wheeled cable trailer car. This is the only Glasgow Subway car that went to London. It went there in 1898 from its manufacturers Hurst. Nelson & Co. Motherwell for a railway equipment exhibition at Earl's Court and returned to Scotland before entering service in Glasgow. It was chosen by GGPTE for restoration as it was the only car to be 'factory photographed' for the Subway Company. It was extended to a bogie car sometime between 1907 and 1914, and remained in service until 1977. Restored in 1979 and during restoration, the original carpenters hidden pencil marks guided the restoration team as to how to shorten the car back! Car 39T is now at Riverside in its 1890's subway station setting as part of the Victorian Street Scene - the only really good display at Riverside.


Car 4 was an 1896 gripper car and after electrification in 1935 became a trailer car. Only about a third of it remains and restored to a motor car in its 1935-1950 livery. It is now at Riverside in a very poorly designed location.


The 1927-built Battery Locomotive used for works trains duties at night was shoehorned into a tight corner at Kelvin Hall, but at least it was displayed. Now in store.


Finally I'm glad to see that the Museum display team did an excellent job of the Victorian Glasgow Street and its associated Subway Station at Riverside. Shame about the rest of the museum.


Now time for a pint and a blether in The Mitre Bar!!!

Thank You for all your support.

Dave
fastnet

NO, Thank you Dave.
sputnik

ditto,a great big thank you.
cybers

Hate the choo-choos but that was grand... Always great to see a wee previously hidden time capsule such as that.
Vinny the Mackem

Re: Glasgow Subway - Before, During and After

Bridge Street 1976


Bridge Street 2015 - not much in the first photo to create a reference point, but I think it's close enough!
Charlie Endell

What's the building in the background (behind the shed-type building with skylights)?
Vinny the Mackem

Charlie Endell wrote:
What's the building in the background (behind the shed-type building with skylights)?


Had exactly the same thought ...
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Charlie Endell

Cheers Vinny  
streapadair

Just to tie things up, the building with the rooflights contained the subway platforms (the line crosses under Eglinton St. at 45), while part of the Coliseum is on the right.

Here was the scene just 3 years before.
Dave Carson

Just when I was about to hit send, you beat me to it!!!

Charlie Endell wrote:
What's the building in the background (behind the shed-type building with skylights)?


The shed-type building with skylights was the roof of the subway station.

Here's a photo of Bridge Street Subway Station in mid-60s.

Charlie Endell

Thanks streapadair and Dave Carson - great photos as well.
Hawick_1987

streapadair wrote:
Just to tie things up, the building with the rooflights contained the subway platforms (the line crosses under Eglinton St. at 45), while part of the Coliseum is on the right.

Here was the scene just 3 years before.


Jay-zuz! Unrecognisable!  
streapadair

Isn't it just? Who stole Glasgow?

That photo was taken in August, the tenement, all but the station, was gone by December.
Targer

Let us not forget that the Coliseum disappeared too.
Charlie Endell

Re: Glasgow Subway - Before, During and After

Vinny the Mackem wrote:
Bridge Street 1976


Bridge Street 2015 - not much in the first photo to create a reference point, but I think it's close enough!

From the way the Viva HB is parked it looks like there was a dip in the land behind where the tenement stood?
Dave Carson

I think that dip was in preparation for the site access to Bridge Street Subway Station for the modernisation works, the area was cleared for deliveries of the new track, the rails would be loaded into the station chamber and welded up into long lengths and rolled out along the system.



The site not only stored rails, sleepers and fastenings, it also fabricated special track lengths such as the tracks that went over the old cable crossover between West Street and Shields Road Stations and shorter special lengths to bridge the various pumping sumps around the system. The site was ideal for road access as the rails came up by road from the mills at Workington and site traffic kept away from the city centre.
Charlie Endell

Dave Carson wrote:
I think that dip was in preparation for the site access to Bridge Street Subway Station for the modernisation works, the area was cleared for deliveries of the new track, the rails would be loaded into the station chamber and welded up into long lengths and rolled out along the system.



The site not only stored rails, sleepers and fastenings, it also fabricated special track lengths such as the tracks that went over the old cable crossover between West Street and Shields Road Stations and shorter special lengths to bridge the various pumping sumps around the system. The site was ideal for road access as the rails came up by road from the mills at Workington and site traffic kept away from the city centre.

Superb info   .

Apologies, I didn't realise this was a fairly new thread (the perils of viewing on the phone...). Great work.
royston1964

Streapadair's before and after photo of Bridge Street with the Underground station is stunning and absolutely shocking - surely it didn't all have to come down... will never be convinced that the powers that be did anything near what they could to minimise the demolitions.
streapadair

Agreed.

Here's a shot I took in Dec 73, don't think I've posted it before, must have fallen through the cracks, shows the tenement directly across from the one housing the station. This one may (or may not) have been past saving, but there were plenty of fine tenements in Eglinton St, Cumberland St, Abbotsford Place, etc that weren't.
okaydoak

This tenement by the 1970s had no back court,and the railway line was built right up to the rear wall - you can still see the inendations of the round stair towers in the wall of the viaduct.Can't have been much fun having a train trundle past inches from your Kitchen window every few minutes!
Dave Carson


Rear view of the former brick-built Engine House of the old Cable Power Station. Taken from a Glasgow-Greenock train on 30/08/15.
Stuball

okaydoak wrote:
Can't have been much fun having a train trundle past inches from your Kitchen window every few minutes!


I know a few people that would get off on that kinda thing....
cybers

Thankfully he is banned from here... The rear window would be frosted .... not lavvy glass just frosted with crispy bits  
Catnip

Utterly fantastic thread, thank you!  

On the off-chance: any photos of St George's Cross still at tenement level or Merkland Street?
Charlie Endell

streapadair wrote:
Agreed.

Here's a shot I took in Dec 73, don't think I've posted it before, must have fallen through the cracks, shows the tenement directly across from the one housing the station. This one may (or may not) have been past saving, but there were plenty of fine tenements in Eglinton St, Cumberland St, Abbotsford Place, etc that weren't.

Love this photo    - also includes a now mega rare (think there are fewer than fifty registered for road use) Austin 3 Litre.
20thcenturyfox251


Link
Targer

In the above photo of a tenement block with a Tradeston Tool Store . Is that the same store that was on the corner of Nelson St. and Commerce St ?
Dave Carson

Re: Glasgow Subway - Before, During and After

Vinny the Mackem wrote:
Bridge Street 1976


Bridge Street 2015 - not much in the first photo to create a reference point, but I think it's close enough!


Not quite Vinny! The original subway entrance would've been about 130-140ft to the right of the current entrance which now serves the opposite end of the station chamber, the original platform entrance/exit is now the emergency exit, all my Bridge Street platform photos were taken in approximately the same position.

Here's a slightly clearer shot of the current entrance:
Vinny the Mackem

Re: Glasgow Subway - Before, During and After

Dave Carson wrote:


Not quite Vinny! The original subway entrance would've been about 130-140ft to the right of the current entrance which now serves the opposite end of the station chamber, the original platform entrance/exit is now the emergency exit, all my Bridge Street platform photos were taken in approximately the same position.


You learn something every day!  I always assumed that the entrance to the platforms remained in the same position, or at least from the same direction, even where the entrance to the station had moved (Merkland Street/Partick and St Enoch being the obvious exceptions).
Dave Carson

Glasgow Subway will be 120 years old on Wednesday 14th December 2016 and SPT have released this photo of one of the current subway cars in commemorative Glasgow District Subway livery.



Unfortunately I can't make it up to Glasgow this time, but I did attend the 80th anniversary in 1976 and the centenary in 1996.

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