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Andy B

Glasgows secret tunnels

has any 1 ever been in the tunnels under argyle street ? ive heard from a "friend" that its like another street with access to the shops store rooms , the less i say why he was down there the less the police will know but seriously im interested in the old tunnels , there is suppose to be another 1 that runs from the old high court also , and the grand daddy of them all 3 levels under central station , wouldnt mind doing a bit of Indiana Jones n take my camera along if ne 1 knows entrance points

the argyle street tunnel is accessible from the low level argyle street rail line the tunnel shoots off from it
C_Taylor1984

RE: Argyle Street Tunnel.

Not been under Tunnel at Argyle St. But that Sounds very interesting, the one under The Court too. Also sounds cool as F...k

But..the one under Central. Now thats got my curiosity flowin, I like the Sounds of that, but God knows how you would get down there, is it really 3 Levels down from current track? That sounds AWESOME.lol. There are a few pics oan Flickr taken by a guy from the old Subterranean Glasgow Site, he wont give details of where they are, but i suspect theyre Preeeetty Deep Underground.

If u ever hear anything RE: Entrances...etc to the Aforementioned Tunnels, give us a Holler. Cheers.
monkeywrench

My mate used to work in and around central station as a points and signals engineer . He once told me they had to get access to signalling equipment for the argyle low level line via a night club (presumably the arches or the sub club?) He said it was surreal - a team of men in hi visability boiler suits carrying tools and equipment, having to push their way through a crowd of pilled-up clubbers!

The same mate has an uncle who also worked on the railways around glasgow who claimed to have found a genuine sealed off section of street below union st in the seventies. I'd heard the story of this from my mate years ago, and (after arguing with other urban explorers about it's existence) decided in 2009 that I'd try an get some kind of evidence to prove it existed.

I started off by talking to 'Uncle Pat' on the phone.  He told me he was working with a team of men in a sub-basement of central station when they came across an access hatch in the floor. Curious they lifted the hatch and climbed down to find a section of street with intact shop fronts which seemed to stretch up as far as gordon st. He said there were other passageways or tunnels leading off from it. He also said that he had heard stories from other railmen about similar finds elsewhere in the city.

I also got my mate to contact a bloke he worked with who is high up in network rail engineering.  He was into the idea of trying to find it but insisted we get Pat to draw a map of where the hatch was. I emailed Pat and asked if i could meet up and talk some more about it - with the hope of getting a map. He politely told me to fcuk off, saying that he was going to be too "busy for the forseeable future." AAAAGGGGHHHHH!!!

When you look at that area around gordon st / union st, it looks unlikely that the original street level could have been so low.  But glasgow was built on a series of hills known as the drumlins, (which are marine deposits - so the whole place was once under the sea - mental, eh?) Anyway, my theory is that the lower lying areas around the city were probably prone to flooding from the clyde and got filled in or covered over, leaving the large flat area we see today. It does look unusually flat around there compared to elsewhere in the city centre...? -or mibby i'm just clutching at straws!

Anyhoo,  I've read various posts from folk who've worked in shops along union street and have heard of fire exits that open into a large cobbled tunnel. My guess is that the hidden street would be below that level.  I've often thought of trying to get a job in one of those shops on the central station side, just so i can try to get access!  Access on the sly via the station wouldn't be an option - apparently there's about 300 cameras monitoring the station, looking for them terrorists!

Hope this is of some interst to ya,  and if you've any ideas on how to get down there let me know!

cheers m
BigArturo

Weblink to the "hidden city" under Central

http://www.hiddenglasgow.com/books/grahamston.htm

and link to the reason why the public are not allowed down there -

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blrats2.htm

The underground area below Central is subject to tidal flooding from the Clyde and water ingress from the streets around the station and is home to a large rat population which you wouldn't want to meet in the dark.
Stuball

An urban legend...
cybers

Ah sounds like another report by Tom Fullery  
Serot1

A close friend of mine worked in the Central Station Hotel prior to its refurbishment. They claimed that several floors of the hotel were abandoned with homeless living in them, and they also had access to the roof and tower.

In relation to this thread it was also said that some folks had found sealed doors going down but access was never gained, with the rumour that they gave way to the old streets below central. Unfortunately that's about all I can add as they never found a way in without demolishing one of the doors, and the hotel of course was completely over hauled.
jimb46

Glasgow Tunnels

I've worked as an Engineer with the railways for nearly 40 years, the story of a tunnel along Argyle St is just an urban myth. †The only tunnel under Argyle St is the Argle Line railway tunnel which was constructed 'cut and cover' along the centre of Argyle St.

With regard to 3 levels below track level at Central Station, some truth as manways existed below concourse level for maintenance and services purposes, however these could only be crawled through. †There is only one level of vaulted arches below Central Station which used to be used by the Royal Mail for collections from the mail trains, the BR Telecomms guys used to be located there too. †There is sorry to disappoint adventurers no three levels of tunnels below Central, unless you count the manways, vaults and Central Low level.
Stuball

Hah, at last.... engineer conformation.... no more of this 'ma mate says'
jimb46

Street below Glasgow Central Station

The story of the street below the city centre comes from when Central Station was being built a roman road was discovered.  There was a hatch through which it could be viewed, however all that could be seen is some stone cobbles a few feet below the surface, there is no 'street' in the sense that something can be explored.

Sorry to rain on peoples parade, but as a young railway civil engineer I too heard the stories and investigated them.
ColinRossSmith

What were these tunnels built for? Were they abandoned tunnels for an underground system?
AlanM

ColinRossSmith wrote:
What were these tunnels built for? Were they abandoned tunnels for an underground system?


No, they are service tunnels for pipes and cables - giving easy access for maintenance and upgrading etc.
the_scorpion

Re: Glasgows secret tunnels

Andy B wrote:
has any 1 ever been in the tunnels under argyle street ? ive heard from a "friend" that its like another street with access to the shops store rooms , the less i say why he was down there the less the police will know but seriously im interested in the old tunnels , there is suppose to be another 1 that runs from the old high court also , and the grand daddy of them all 3 levels under central station , wouldnt mind doing a bit of Indiana Jones n take my camera along if ne 1 knows entrance points

the argyle street tunnel is accessible from the low level argyle street rail line the tunnel shoots off from it


I've been through a tunnel under a certain part of Argyle street. I won't say exactly how you enter it for security reasons but it was fascinating to walk through. I was told it's haunted but didn't see anything or hear anything.

By the way, i was working there so it was legit.
brickwall

I was told that's where the Lizard Men have thier wee mind control bunker.
AMKmc13

underground tunnels

I have become quite interested in the old tunnels under Glasgow, I worked in Central station years ago and there was entrances to tunnels although whether or not they were maintenance tunnels or actual streets I do not know. I have heard rumors of whole streets buried underneath the actual streets of the city centre such as Argyle st and Gordon street, possibly west regent street etc exactly the streets which would be underneath "drumlins"... I  work in a bar which is over 200 years old and we have what we call secret rooms and I have been told there is a network of passages which is supposed to exist in around the saltmarket area all the way to wards the Italian centre...
Is there any more info on this? do these passages/tunnels exist? I'm thinking Mary's close in Edinburgh...
discominer

Grahamston alert, first of 2012! Run away!
Ridders

Secret tunnels

Hi everyone, just new to this forum, so forgive me if this has been mentioned. Way back when i left school, i was an apprentice for British Telecom. I remember being in one of the exchanges in Glasgow, and being shown "the tunnel" in the basement of (if memory serves) The Pitt Street Exchange. Im sure i was told this tunnel run all the way down through Argyle Street, and there was "ventilation shafts" around about the Anderston Bus Station area. I remember being told the story during safety training about always checking chambers before entering for water / gas etc, and this tunnel was mentioned as a "scare you into safety" story, that these ventilation shafts also had a lift, and that the tunnel had flooded killing 2 men who didnt do the checks before descending in the lift.

If i can find any other info i will post it

Thanks

Ridders
NetworkD

Hi Guys,

was directed to this site by a friend and decided to join up after reading this thread.

In the office block to the immediate left on bothwell street of the Abbey National on the corner of Hope Street / Bothwell Street is a basement area.

under the basement is another level with pipework, all that kind of stuff.

Within this area is a locked door. †Through this door is a corridor full of pipes etc that takes you all the way to the basement of some shops on union street.

Used to work for Abbey National, discovered this one day after doing filing in the basement and being given the keys by the security guy to get in and out the basement area.

went as far as a door with a sign saying FOUQUETS on it (which was a pub / restuarant on Union Street) then bottled it and went back in case it was noticed I was missing, or I got locked down there!

100% true, if any of you work in that building go down for a look if possible.
bertibasset

I work on George Square in a bar and there are some interesting sights in the basement.

Around the back, there is a door which leads to what appears below a forecourt.  The door is totally boxed up, there is no way of getting in unless you smash your way through, but Id quite like to find out whats behind it.

I know, having worked for GCC in the chambers, that there is a network of underground "lanes" and passages.  Achieving access to these is somewhat tricky, you need a reason for being down there.  I hear that these passages run all over george square, however, more so running to the old court (now Citation resteraunt / bar i beleive).

The door i mention above may lead to one of these passages but i am not sure.

Any information on this?
Takemebk2ystrdy

Hi new to this only found out about this site an hour ago after talking about interests in derelict areas.
On the subject of tunnels under Argyll street, I used to work in topman back in 2002 and all the stock used to come though the tunnels 3 floors lower than street level & all the shops were linked by them only went half way down them once as the door was alarmed n had to be kept shut but they seem to go on for some distance with different passageways with some locked and others led to other shops.

I was also in McDonalds at Trongate/Argyll st the other day and seen a staff member go though a door which had a pretty steep staircase going below street level that seemed to go quite far down is possible it could be staff area but all there belongings etc were in a small locker room at the top of the stairs
RobK

After being fascinated by stories of tunnels under Central Station for years I have finally found a video that shows a wee bit of what's down there.



Incidentally, this is video 3 of 3 on the history of the station. Have a look at the other 2 if you get a chance.  
Hawick_1987

Fantastic find RobK! I was absolutely engrossed - who knew about that banker?!
fatweegee

Is Glasgow unique in the UK for having such an extensive Low Level network and Underground that are unconnected. I know Newcastle has its Metro but doesnt have a network of low level mainline stations, Liverpool has a network of low level main line stations but no underground or metro and London Underground has a lot of street level stations as well as those underground but does it have a network of low level main line stations?
horza

RobK wrote:
After being fascinated by stories of tunnels under Central Station for years I have finally found a video that shows a wee bit of what's down there.



Incidentally, this is video 3 of 3 on the history of the station. Have a look at the other 2 if you get a chance. †


Saw this guy in Central the other day driving one of the wee buggies about. For a minute I was like I'm sure I've seen him before lol.
Big Dee

Re: Glasgow Tunnels

Glasgow Central tunnels:

I work for a tool hire company and have been delivering to many building sites around Glasgow and going into areas not normally accessed by the public, There is a labyrinth of passageways under the main concourse with abandoned rooms and offices, I discovered this while delivering to a company sub contracted to renovate the Cental hotel last year Access was via a narrow staircase in the hotel or vehicular access via the black eletronic gates a couple of hundred yards down union street.

Another strange one I discovered was in Bothwell street, A pub was being renovated back in the 90's and 2 floors down from the ground floor was a large storeroom, In this storeroom was a tunnel large enough for a tube train to pass through but sadly was totally bricked up about 15-20 foot back from the main wall. Always wondered where it went to on the other side of the wall
MarkG

I used to work in gamestation on union street 9 years ago and there was access to underground passageways.

I remember me & a workmate going through one when we were on our break and we had to stop because we were scared of getting lost it was that big down there.

It's amazing how much structure is down there it's like another city.
JimBeam

Hi, I came here looking for old pictures but found this thread. Most of this is somewhat unrelated but relevant to the topic.

I've heard from people who work in the shops on Buchanan St that there are interconnecting tunnels between the basements. I have heard that these were built along with house of fraser or house of fraser was a vital point in them. I understand most are locked and alarmed and there is nothing much to them, let alone a "street" down there. I have a friend who works in the basement of Frasers at the monent and i'll ask him if there are any signs of hidden passageways.

Anyway on to my point. I worked in the basement of a Pub on Bridge St, just across the water from the town center. Down in the basement, which i'd
say was below subway level was quite complex and interesting.

As you came down there was the room with the pumps and the main cellar just through a door immediately in front of you. To the left there was a stone passageway, which led round a corner to an old storage type room, sliding metal door and full of metal shelves. It was too full of spiders and broken glass etc webs to get in, if you continued past this there was an old bolier or water tanker type thing, a large, brass, impressive looking thing. next there was a door, which had been bricked up but broken through on the top half. It led to a large empty room with water running in it, Then 2 more doorways, which were bricked up. It seemed to be a basement of a surrounding building, although the basement of this pub was already under some of the surrounding buildings. I'd have said it was behind the pub so not on any specific street.

There was another tunnel stemming off from the main cellar. It was tiled white (like the old underground toilets), about 20m in it was bricked up but again it had been smashed through, and  this one lead to another large, tiled room with a huge metal sealed door, I don't think it was ever an underground toilet because there was no signs of any toilet fittings or street access. This was a very large room and was under the street at the corner of bridge st and nelson st. It had a further passageway which went round a corner and was bricked off.

However the pub hs now been refurbished, the basement included and these are obviously sealed off with walls and the current owners know nothing about it.

Must say I wish I took pictures but I only got to explore it twice and i'm not much of a photographer
Jaggy Bunnet

Hidden tunnels

First time looking through this website - i stumbled across it whilst doing some google research about tunnels under parts of the lower city centre.

I work for a company that has an interest in certain buildings around Glasgow, including a big one quite near the central station. What i am doing there and for who i'd rather leave anon, but i have did a bit of exploration over the past year or so - The chap from Network Rail is either completely ignorant of what lies beneath central station, or is just talking daft - There is not just one, but a series of tunnels - but one in particular is something else altogether and it passes through somewhere what appears to be an area underneath the central hotel and goes towards St Enoch in one direction and Queen St in the other.

This tunnel is pretty much inaccesable bar only 2 places as far as i can make out - but i'll leave the specifics of that out of the public forum for good reason - however what i will say is that the nearer to st-enoch one goes, the deeper the water gets - and seeing subway train lights (never mind the noise!) is a scary prospect too...so i'm told...however i will say much of it - esp at the lower end - has been well and truly bricked up in various places along the route...but i can assure you that should this tunnel be followed, the routes are exactly as i say...

Perhaps back in the day the hotel itself was served by these tunnels - or the tunnels were just passing through the hotel? I have no idea really but i am contemplating taking myself to the Mitchell Library to do some more research - if it helps any - but one's things for absolute certain, there are tunnels, some parts of which are even tiled - as i edit this, i notice the previous poster comments about tiles, yes, white also and seems to be courtesy of the Victorian builders - some parts i have seen have quite grand stonework too - esp for a tunnel - but interseting being that it's the south side of the clyde in your particular case...

In general, the 'main tunnel' is about 12ft at the highest point of the arc and about 16ft in diameter, various parts have been bricked up along the way - but a nosey here or there can uncover some treasures indeed but perhaps most astonsishing is that there is sand - and a lot of it - in certain places in these tunnels - this is a recuring theme and points towards horses and carts i would think.

I'll take a half decent camera with me next time i am working in Glasgow and around that area - such previous adventures were something of a treat (and a skive..) so hopefully similar opportunity comes around soon enough but i do hope anything i have said answers some questions folks have.

Grahamston? I vaguely know of the village and how it was raised to the ground to make way for the central station - I have only heard rumour of anything of significant structure but i do believe there are still the odd scattering of cobblestone paving - most likely bits of what was Alston Street - which would date back to what was Grahamston presumably - so it's fair to say wee bits of the old village are still about underneath our feet even now. No mystery or myth needed - besides, why woudn't there be bits of such left??

Anyways - i will deffo be reading and doing as much research as poss into this and hopefuly some more exploration given the chance. It's fascinating and makes you wonder just where else such wonders exist.
James








James H
Hawick_1987

The B.T. Tunnels are my personal holy grail...
James

Hawick_1987 wrote:
The B.T. Tunnels are my personal holy grail...

I'm sure you're not the only one...

I'm still surprised at those images revealing the fact that they were only built
in the early 1970s.  



James H
cybers

james73 wrote:


I'm still surprised at those images revealing the fact that they were only built
in the early 1970s. †



James H


Was it maybe cos it was easier to get under some Flairs in the 70's  
Beano

james73 wrote:







James H

Dunno if this has been posted before. Link from the Glasgow Herald 1970

http://news.google.com/newspapers...=p0gMAAAAIBAJ&pg=3991,2431044
horza

So theres a 2km tunnel presumably running under Bath Street then?

What and where are the B.T. Tunnels supposed to be?
Hawick_1987

horza wrote:
So theres a 2km tunnel presumably running under Bath Street then?

What and where are the B.T. Tunnels supposed to be?


The route from what I was told runs from Dial House, under the city centre, and out to near the Royal Infirmary.

Link to the 'other place:' http://www.hiddenglasgow.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=135
horza

Hawick_1987 wrote:
horza wrote:
So theres a 2km tunnel presumably running under Bath Street then?

What and where are the B.T. Tunnels supposed to be?


The route from what I was told runs from Dial House, under the city centre, and out to near the Royal Infirmary.

Link to the 'other place:' http://www.hiddenglasgow.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=135


I'm gonna be here for a while now thanks!
Hawick_1987

horza wrote:
Hawick_1987 wrote:
horza wrote:
So theres a 2km tunnel presumably running under Bath Street then?

What and where are the B.T. Tunnels supposed to be?


The route from what I was told runs from Dial House, under the city centre, and out to near the Royal Infirmary.

Link to the 'other place:' http://www.hiddenglasgow.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=135


I'm gonna be here for a while now thanks!


Be sure to actually come back mind    
BTJustice

I dont like the way you are all talking about exploring B.T.'s tunnel. Its making me very nervous.
Capercaillie

BTJustice wrote:
I dont like the way you are all talking about exploring B.T.'s tunnel. Its making me very nervous.


Have you seen the equipment they use when exploring any tunnels?
cybers

Well it would be a bit hard to talk your way out of a prison cell in Gauntanamo under section 44 if anyone was actually stupid enough to attempt this...
Bear in mind any entry would be illegal under some obscure telecommunications law hurriedly drafted to keep terrorism at bay and the entry would most likely be forced. So its nice to look, its great to debate but the chances of getting a permission visit are non existent so best left well alone.
horza

cybers wrote:
Well it would be a bit hard to talk your way out of a prison cell in Gauntanamo under section 44 if anyone was actually stupid enough to attempt this...
Bear in mind any entry would be illegal under some obscure telecommunications law hurriedly drafted to keep terrorism at bay and the entry would most likely be forced. So its nice to look, its great to debate but the chances of getting a permission visit are non existent so best left well alone.


Cybers is completely correct. Anyone trying a non permission visit would be very stupid.
chic

I was given a wee tour when I started in the PO Telephones, as they were called at the time, Runs from the basement of Telephone House. We walked as far as the City Chambers underground, and came back on the surface. It was fun! There were other gas tight doors leading off the main tunnel but we didn't get to look behind them.
IBrown

I was amazed at the amount of mines the video on this link shows in the Glasgow area, so thought about your Secret Tunnels and I think you need to add mine roadways to the network of sewers old & new, railway etc tunnels - and it all makes for a very complicated underground picture. These flooded mines are proposed for use in geothermal heating of homes or road surfaces.

http://www.bgs.ac.uk/research/energy/geothermal/heatEnergyGlasgow.html

Surprised to learn homes at Glenalmond Street, Shettleston already use this

http://www.sust.org/pdf/glenalmond.pdf
kilted_jockey

Yip they exist. Iworked down in them in the 80's. You had to carry parrafin lamp two way radio and an electronic gas meter detector and lock the airtight doors behind you and radio in after each door was opened/closed.
phillster

I know of two entrances to this tunnel systems pm me to find out where
Scotty

Resurrecting this old thread and the old chestnut of streets, shops, tunnels or even whole cities where the zombies roam in the subterranean world under Central Station.
Saw that network rail are running tours of the underground areas of the station but also taking you to the gantry of the glass roof. Looks interesting.
See link below.

http://glasgowcentraltours.co.uk/the-tour/
fastnet

Scotty wrote:
Resurrecting this old thread and the old chestnut of streets, shops, tunnels or even whole cities where the zombies roam in the subterranean world under Central Station.
Saw that network rail are running tours of the underground areas of the station but also taking you to the gantry of the glass roof. Looks interesting.
See link below.

http://glasgowcentraltours.co.uk/the-tour/


I have booked this next Friday.....
James

Wonder if we could book it as a UG group? Max 10 bodies according to
their website.


James H
Hawick_1987

James wrote:
Wonder if we could book it as a UG group? Max 10 bodies according to
their website.


James H


I'd be up for it.  
Marblez

fastnet wrote:


http://glasgowcentraltours.co.uk/the-tour/


I have booked this next Friday..... [/quote]

Let me know how you get on with taking pics John
fastnet

Will do.
GlesgaKid

Maybe just a Myth but...

I was told by both my grandmothers that some hospitals, police stations, courts and train station are all linked by underground tunnels  

I also read a few years ago that under central bridge and including St Enoch square that there are full streets that have been built on and that there are loads of silver coins that will never be dug up due to the cost and disruption to the city.

Could anyone let me know if they have heard the same or similar, Thanks  
Stuball

Think about it....

What you have heard is a chinese whisper version of Grahamston and we can assure you, there is nothing left of it
AlexArnott

Hi wish I had needed this year ago, I worked in Games workshop in Glasgow when it was on Queen Street.

The new building is a Clydesdale bank and thatís were our old shop was, we were two and a half levels down from the street the first lower level had rooms like a house and we used to set up games tables for the gamers on a Sunday and a Thursday night, but the place was old and falling to bits one of the rooms we used to hold meetings in the wall just fell down in a heap of dust.

No about whatís under that, at the back of our stock room was a cast iron door very corroded and no maintained the lock was rust the hinges were rust, but we did manage to open this door, well it just fell apart at the hinges and tow of us just moved it out the way took about 10min was a big bugger of a door, we had a torch and set off down old metal stairs we went down about what we guessed was 3-5 levels and still nothing just more stairs and blackness, to be honest we bottled it and went back up as stairs did not impart confidence, were ever this went it was deep way deeper than 3 levels as we started 2 well below the street level in the shop. few had a few looks after that but no one really wanted to go any deeper down and but the look of the old metal door we were prop not supposed to, now it cool have been sewer access but this was way down and just smelled  damp and old not sewer like,
our manager knew the son of the man who owned the joke shop and apparently he has an access under his old shop (if itís still there so that might be a way down, we had also heard the story of whatís under shops and such, what our door looked like was more ww2 bunker like and thatís what we were told by others who we told about it at the time this was back in 1997-1998
Alex Glass


City Chambers Tunnel (5) by Alex J Glass, on Flickr


City Chambers Tunnel (4) by Alex J Glass, on Flickr


City Chambers Tunnel (2) by Alex J Glass, on Flickr


City Chambers Tunnel (1) by Alex J Glass, on Flickr
Hawick_1987

Where on earth does that lead to?
cybers

the sniper nest on top of the cenotaph  
Alex Glass

As Cybers said.

If you look at the top of the Cenotaph you will see the air vents. It could go from there to Anchor Lane to join the other service tunnels under Glasgow.
stagedriver

I've had a look on maps and can't see any vents on top of the cenotaph?
fastnet

stagedriver wrote:
I've had a look on maps and can't see any vents on top of the cenotaph?


stagedriver

Aha!

Would be interesting to see inside it. Somewhat random that they would even need a tunnel.
cybers

There is also one on the other side behind the hilt of the sword.

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