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sheepy19

I used to live in Glasgow and I am confused!

I am hoping someone can help me.  I moved to Glasgow in 1990 and left again a few years ago.  I have read almost every post pertaining to Glasgow in the past and have become slightly obsessed with the whole Townhead-Buchanan Galleries area thing!

However, maybe because I am useless or maybe because I am not Glaswegian I keep looking at all the pictures and I can't make sense of it all.  I never really know what I am looking at!

What I am trying to picture is this:

I studied at Glasgow Caledonian University (Glasgow College of Technology at the time) and when we walked into "town" we used to walk through a bit of wasteland which I think was near where Buchanan Galleries ended up.  But I don't know exactly (or really even roughly) where it was!  I remember there we remaining bits of wall and I am probably wrong but towards the bottom on the left hand side were the remains of shops , not sure why one sticks in my mind as possibly a grocers...  

Coming from Aberdeen which hasn't seen the levels of change and demolition Glasgow has it was all a bit of an eye opener.

Can any of you very knowledgeable people help at all?  Or maybe I need someone with an old photo and a red pen  

Thanks
IBrown

I think it depends what part of ‘town’ you were walking towards. I first started travelling into Glasgow from Lanarkshire in early 1970s to my work in the railway building on Port Dundas Road. The Caley Uni was built behind it and one of the short cuts used was through the fence between us.

I finished 1998, and over time there were gap sites all around the Uni (even before it was built) as tenement properties, Killermont bus station, shops, pubs (The Favourite and Lough Swilly, stopped short of Station Bar) and at least one church were all bulldozed.  Cowcaddens Road changed completely at Port Dundas Road and was also extended eastwards to meet North Hanover Street and everything north & south of the extension was ‘open ground’ for a long while before the new road, bus station and Uni were built there. We used to cross it going to Queen Street station, North Hanover Street entrance for the Low Level.

http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#z...478&lon=-4.24624&layers=6
James

From the Buchanan Street Railway Station thread - http://urbanglasgow.co.uk/about414.html








James H
IBrown

Bad though it is, the photos don’t show all that was flattened in this area. Alex Glass started another thread to show what happened on the Cowcaddens side:

http://urbanglasgow.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=622&start=0


And from Alex’s thread here’s the places I mentioned.

Alex Glass – Station Bar. Everything south of here along west side of Pt Dundas Road including the gushets on Airdrie Street and Cowcaddens Road to just short of Renfrew Lane? was demolished. Everything in the ‘square bounded by Cowcaddens Road, Renfield Street to just short of Renfrew Lane was demolished.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums...ildings/StationBarCowcaddens3.jpg

Alex Glass – Airdrie Street. The pub I knew as the Favourite was this one at the bottom.
http://i581.photobucket.com/album...AGlass_2009/Family/AirdrieSt2.jpg

Alex Glass – Airdrie Street. The pub I’d forgotten was the Kiwi at the top (Cowcaddens Road at Renfield Street) The folk are crossing Cowcaddens Road headed for Renfield Street. The Lough Swilly was down to the right on the other side of Cowcaddens Road.
http://i581.photobucket.com/album.../AGlass_2009/Family/AirdrieSt.jpg

As far as I remember up to 1998, nothing was ever built to replace these buildings. So if you were coming up from Central Station direction, there'd be a lot of dereliction on your right when you got by Lauder's and crossed Renfrew Lane to walk up to the top of the hill.
sheepy19

Thanks all for taking the time to try and explain it to me!  I just can't tell what I am looking at.  We would have walked from Caley down to George Square or Argyle Street amongst other places.

James, in that first picture, what am I actually looking at?  I presume the building bottom left is still there?!

The picture with the pub looks like the area I am thinking of (but without the pub). Where would Caley be in relation to that?  

I clearly have no sense of direction  

Sorry, I owe you all a pint.  Is the Westering Winds still standing?
fastnet

The buses in James' pictures are Buchanan St. bus station and the spare ground across from it are where Buchanan galleries now stand.
IBrown

sheepy19 wrote:
Thanks all for taking the time to try and explain it to me!  I just can't tell what I am looking at.  We would have walked from Caley down to George Square or Argyle Street amongst other places.

James, in that first picture, what am I actually looking at?  I presume the building bottom left is still there?!

The picture with the pub looks like the area I am thinking of (but without the pub). Where would Caley be in relation to that?  

I clearly have no sense of direction  

Sorry, I owe you all a pint.  Is the Westering Winds still standing?


The first photo - everything has gone. The Road running away east was Parliamentary Road, the road in the foreground running south across it was Killermont Street and the building is Killermont bus station. If you think of today's Buchanan Street, Killermont Street was the next street east, running parallel to it. So the buildings in the foreground would have backed on to the buildings on the east side of Buchanan Street - all gone.

If it's the Station Bar then that's the closest to the Uni. It's right across Pt Dundas Road from the Railway building, Buchanan House, and the Uni is behind the railway building.

Another map showing the Cowcaddens Road / Port Dundas Road area as it was when Buchanan Street Railway station was there.


http://maps.nls.uk/view/74416894#...t=5899&lon=5336&layers=BT
sheepy19

Shock - I think I have got it all straight-ish in my head    Turns out my biggest stumbling block was identifying Caley  

Two quick further questions and then I'll leave you all in peace!




If I kept walking along that road where would I end up?

Because I can't fit it all together with this picture that is, I assume, still the pub with the shillelaghs...

(both pictures courtesy of the virtual Mitchell).



Thanks


IBrown

Don't know how this site manages to get these photos!  Your pub is on the right, and the station is Queen Street High Level.

http://urbanglasgow.co.uk/archive/o_t__t_1147__start_200__index.html
sheepy19

I love that picture.  When I saw it before - but failed to connect the dots, obviously! - I wanted it for my wall!
Marblez

sheepy19 wrote:



If I kept walking along that road where would I end up?


The pub sat on the top end of Dundas Street, between Cathedral Street and Parliamentary Road, that view is looking towards Townhead with the steps down to Queen Street station about a 100 yards down to the right, the Caley would have been up to your left. That is now underneath the Buchanan Galleries, where it goes over Cathedral Street.

Quote:
(both pictures courtesy of the virtual Mitchell).



The second picture is of Parliamentary Road (correct me if I am wrong James). The Caley would have been up to the left and your first pic is the road on the right at the traffic lights. That was Dundas Street going down to Cathedral Street

These pics were taken by myself 17 years apart. The view is looking from West Nile Street looking east along Sauchiehall Street to where it meets Buchanan Street. That corner (which is now the entrance steps to the concert hall) was the starting point of Parliamentary Road. This is the area of the box junction in the older picture

Buchanan Galleries 1996/2013 by D1gitAl Imagez

Marblez


Townhead Aerial by D1gitAl Imagez

Pink      - High Street
Red      - Caley Uni
Blue     - Cathedral Street
Purple  - North Hanover Street
Green  - remaining stretch of Parliamentary Road (now under Galleries)
Orange - site of former Buchanan St station, now Buchanan Bus Depot
James

Marblez wrote:
sheepy19 wrote:



If I kept walking along that road where would I end up?


The pub sat on the top end of Dundas Street, between Cathedral Street and Parliamentary Road, that view is looking towards Townhead with the steps down to Queen Street station about a 100 yards down to the right, the Caley would have been up to your left. That is now underneath the Buchanan Galleries, where it goes over Cathedral Street.

The (original) Caley buildings are in shot to the left. That is indeed Dundas Street. The fenced-off
street to the right of the picture is Cunningham Street, leading to it's high level angled bridge over
the Queen Street station tracks. The image I quoted before from the Buchanan Street Station thread
shows this same junction from above, bottom right of the picture. Seems to be from the very same
time period as the same (Bedford?) van and trailer are in the exactly same place!




This was Cunningham Street in 1963, looking East.



And the angled bridge viewed from Cathedral Street in 1963.







Marblez wrote:
Quote:
(both pictures courtesy of the virtual Mitchell).



The second picture is of Parliamentary Road (correct me if I am wrong James). The Caley would have been up to the left and your first pic is the road on the right at the traffic lights. That was Dundas Street going down to Cathedral Street

Spot on. Dundas Street heading off to the right (under the 'The Mitchell...' watermark), taken from
Parliamentary Road. All of the tall buildings in the background remain.



James H
Marblez

James wrote:
The fenced-off
street to the right of the picture is Cunningham Street, leading to it's high level angled bridge over the Queen Street station tracks.

And the angled bridge viewed from Cathedral Street in 1963.



James H


Another one of James' photos showing the same area with the Buchanan Galleries. The walkway from the carpark was built over the original Cunningham Street (Holmhead Street) bridge as can clearly be seen

sheepy19

You guys are so impressive.  How you can pull it all together so easily amazes me!  I owe you.  Thanks so much.
fatweegee

I think the area of waste land you would have walked through became the Concert hall which went up before the Buchanan Galleries
Marblez

fatweegee wrote:
I think the area of waste land you would have walked through became the Concert hall which went up before the Buchanan Galleries


sheepy19 wrote:
I moved to Glasgow in 1990 and left again a few years ago.


The Concert Hall opened in Oct 1990, so would have been built before the time sheepy19 was in Glasgow. It must have been the ground which became the site of Buchanan Galleries
IBrown

Still plenty of scope for waste ground north, east and west of the Concert Hall. You could cut diagonally across these to the College from either Renfield Street or West Nile Street.

I can't remember when Cowcaddens Road was extended westwards at its junction with Port Dundas Road, but the multistorey car park  wouldn't have been built before that, and in 1990 either that or the Concert Hall would be the last building on the right on West Nile Street, going north, there was nothing between them in 1998. I can remember going down West Nile Street past the Concert Hall - which looked like a cross between Stafford Prison and Braehead Power Station from that side - on on my way to Queen Street station.
DavidMcD316

read today that the area occupied now by Buchanan Galleries and Concert Hall was the largest wasteland in britain (well in a city anyway) what was in the same actual sites of both buildings and why left empty for so long?
IBrown

A link to 1996 view of 'the wasteland' after Concert Hall had been built but before Buchanan Galleries.

Interesting structures - I think the caption is correct and the bridge in the centre view was removed and replaced by a deck of a different design - see James's photo of Galleries a few posts above taken after construction.  Also of interest the mini-tower in the right bottom corner I'm sure was a construction access to the Post Office tunnel. It has been 'incorporated' into the Buchanan Galleries.

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=51075
Hawick_1987

Love that before/after comparison Marblez!  
Vinny the Mackem

Here's another view of the Queen Street area, courtesy of Kev on the "Glasgow from the 1980's" thread.

cybers

See that big rock is visible in that one what happened to it as I remember it had a plaque of some description.
James

Marblez wrote:
Another one of James' photos showing the same area with the Buchanan Galleries. The walkway from the carpark was built over the original Cunningham Street (Holmhead Street) bridge as can clearly be seen



Memories: before the Buchanan Galleries in 1971 (© Evening Times)

It is hard to believe, but this picture of a barren looking area of Glasgow is the city centre, with
Cathedral Street at the bottom and North Hanover Street running into the distance.




The white building is the MacDonald's Furniture Store, which has recently announced it will be closing
as the area is set to be redeveloped. On the left the dirt area is now the car park for the Buchanan
Galleries while, in the distance, is the old Parliamentary Road, which used to be one of the main roads
in Townhead.

It was the original north eastern continuation of Sauchiehall Street, but various redevelopments, including
the construction of Buchanan Bus Station in the late 1970s, saw a rearrangement of roads and it has now
gone from city maps.



James H

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