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iiisecondcreep

Jimmy Wilsons Farm, Carmyle

Had a search through the forum and can't seem to find a thread on this :\

First saw this from the motorway a few years back, I've wondered what it was ever since. I now drive past it every day going to work, yesterday curiosity got the better of me and the OH and I went for a visit.
As I had guessed from what I'd seen from the motorway, the building had never been finished.
On our way back to the car we spoke to a few locals who told us it was 'Jimmy Wilsons Farm'. A rather eccentric man who was forever having livestock escape into the neighbouring residential area and during the building of the motorway, took two clydesdale horses into Glasgow court to protest that he wasn't getting any money for 'his' land.
He started to build this house, apparently it was going to be lovely, lots of specially sculpted stones of horses heads and such. Unfortunately during construction Jimmy passed away, and no more work on the property was ever done. According the locals he was also a scrap merchant. On the land there is the house and the remains of a number of other buildings/sheds. Apparently his ashes were scattered on the grounds.
(If anyone can confirm any of this, or add any info I'd be every interested :) )



Left over something or other opposite house


Between the above and the house


House


Back of house


This goes nowhere


Inside the house, note stripped tree. There are quite a few small trees that have been cut down with a saw, or had branches sawn off also.


Room full of stripped trees with chimney


Same room


Front room with fireplace


Fireplace


Outside stairs going no where


Stone detail on wall behind stairs above


House from the top of the stairs


Side of house facing stairs


Stripped tree room from the outside


Old sign (in pretty good nick considered the amount of vandalism and burning! See 041 phone number)


Wall behind the sign (not part of house)


Tyre swing?
John

I remember a bit about this guy i`m sure I read at the time he used to take his horse and cart on the motorway by means of protest, there should be something in Daily Record or Evening Times archives.
cybers

I had mentioned this site to Stu a wee while ago ... As i seen it most days from the motorway and had always wondered about it.
If it's the same guy John i think he racked up loads of fines for doing that same thing you mentioned but for some reason they could not take him to court to force payment... Pretty sure his argument was about the legality of the purchase deal they did or access that was promised...

Used to be quite a common site with his neddy and bogey... though he did sensibly stick the the shoulder .... must have put the shits up the horse though...
Beano

I was told the old guy maintained the motorway was built on his land and he started to build the house for his retirement home. I don't think he meant to finish the house as it was all about compensation.
Jock58

That looks more like a folly than a proper build
Too many windows & arches in one wall.

Jock58
Beano

Jock58 wrote:
That looks more like a folly than a proper build
Too many windows & arches in one wall.

Jock58
Jock..I think the "house or folly" was part of his legal argument. As I said he never intended to stay there.
John

Not sure if this is the same guy, but looking at the sandstone on his buildings it would make sense.
Link from the Herald
http://www.heraldscotland.com/spo...-being-dug-up-in-carmyle-1.497704                                                                                                                                                                                                                     Buried Treasure. The glory that was Glasgow is being dug up in Carmyle

CAROLE HUGHES


22 Jun 1994

MOST Glaswegians can recall the widespread demolition which took place in the city in the Sixties. In answer to the serious problems of overcrowding and poverty, the city fathers decided to destroy slum tenements, erect concrete tower blocks and resettle whole communities in sprawling, outlying estates. The rest, as they say, is history.

However, one far-sighted demolisher, Jimmy Wilson, agreed with the then Glasgow Corporation to bury the redundant sandstone at his farm in Carmyle (the rest lies in Glasgow's docks).

Twenty-five years later Jimmy is planning to excavate it from his farm ''quarry'' and hopes to see it return to the city. He says he has the equivalent of 30,000 two or three-bedroom flats underneath his field.

In fact, work to extract the stone started several years ago, with some of it going to build a private housing estate in Yorkshire.

Carmyle quarry also supplied stone for the Townhead by-pass, and an old mill in Lesmahagow was restored. However, with the extension of the new M74 motorway which passes through the quarry, extraction had to be put on hold for the duration. A substantial proportion of the sandstone remains buried under the motorway.

John Entwhistle, Jimmy Wilson's partner in a company called Glasgow Sandstone Ltd, believes that the Glasgow Development Agency's admirable City of Stone scheme could benefit from their massive stockpile, which includes six colours of sandstone.

Many of Scotland's sandstone quarries have now closed, although Newbigging, Gatelawbridge and Lochnarbriggs are still functioning. Increasingly, however, developers are importing stone from England.

The stone used in the recently opened development at the corner of Byres Road and University Avenue came from the Tyneside area. Known as ''black pasture'', it was chosen because it complemented the buff sandstone used in adjacent buildings along Byres Road. It was also used in the extension to the Mitchell Library.

The City of Stone scheme aims to enhance the quality of new buildings at key sites throughout the city, improving the environment by creating buildings finished in a traditional Glaswegian style and material. The idea of recycling Glasgow's original sandstone for such a venture is undoubtedly an appealing one.

A spokesman from the Glasgow Development Agency agreed, but said it was really up to individual developers to assess the quality and type of stone required and of course the cost involved.

The agency has already approved three other projects at Great Western Road, Saracen Cross and Torness Street, with others under consideration. Priority is given to projects within conservation areas, in prominent positions and which have a residential or mixed use.

Back at Carmyle, preparations for reclaiming the stone are under way. A million pounds worth of machinery is due to arrive any day and a workforce of 20 masons is being trained.

Finding men suitably skilled was a problem, according to John Entwhistle. To answer this the partners, with the motivating force of Bill Miller, now Glasgow's MEP, set up an apprentice course -- a joint venture with the John Wheatley College and Strathclyde Business Administration.

Thanks to this, the young men on the course can look forward to full-time employment as part of the workforce, a godsend for many who have been unemployed since leaving school. One apprentice said: ''Carmyle Quarry gives me a reason for getting up in the morning.''

Jimmy, who has one son and nine daughters, is obviously proud of his latest recruits and is incredibly paternalistic towards them. ''They just want to do a fair day's work for a fair day's pay, and I am happy to give them the chance,' he said.

One apprentice in particular has shown such promise that John Entwhistle hopes to take him to Italy later this year to learn more about renaissance carving.

''We want to make Glasgow beautiful again. Sandstone has a natural warmth and enhances any building. We have a wealth of Glasgow's heritage and would encourage builders and developers to help us get it back into the city where it belongs,'' he said.

Cut out to

be masons

THE Carmyle quarry partners have set up an apprentice scheme with the John Wheatley College and Strathclyde Business Administration to train 20 young masons in the now comparatively rare skill of dressing sandstone.
norrie

Hi iiisecondcreep, I too have seen that building from the motorway, the posts on here about are more or less the way I heard it, never heard about the quarry or the man had died.
Interesting thread, good photos, well done.

Bye for now, norrie
John

I was a bit confused by the Carmyle heading as my memory of him is further East in a smallholding with a car breakers yard nearer to the intersection with the M73 , but it`s hard to place things now with all the changes in that area. I`m sure Stu will have the answer to this.
Stuball

John wrote:
I`m sure Stu will have the answer to this.


Me? I know nuuuuuttin.... the article on the quarry was interesting though
iiisecondcreep

John wrote:
I was a bit confused by the Carmyle heading as my memory of him is further East in a smallholding with a car breakers yard nearer to the intersection with the M73 , but it`s hard to place things now with all the changes in that area. I`m sure Stu will have the answer to this.


The location of the pics is about half way between the end of the M74 and the M73 junction.
The locals I spoke to did mention there was also a scrap yard there(see OP).
John

iiisecondcreep wrote:
John wrote:
I was a bit confused by the Carmyle heading as my memory of him is further East in a smallholding with a car breakers yard nearer to the intersection with the M73 , but it`s hard to place things now with all the changes in that area. I`m sure Stu will have the answer to this.


The location of the pics is about half way between the end of the M74 and the M73 junction.
The locals I spoke to did mention there was also a scrap yard there(see OP).


I know the location of your pics are Carmyle as i`ve seen the buildings many times over the years from the motorway, but didn`t know about the connection to Jimmy Wilson. My van broke down once near where the M73 junction is now and I went to a house for help, as I said it was like a smallholding with old cars and a couple of caravans and some farm machinery if my memory serves me right as it was a long time ago, anyhow, when I came back to my van one of the guys I was with told me that the guy I was talking to was the guy who took his horse and cart up the motorway.
lynn wilson

Re: Jimmy Wilsons Farm, Carmyle

iiisecondcreep wrote:
Had a search through the forum and can't seem to find a thread on this :\

First saw this from the motorway a few years back, I've wondered what it was ever since. I now drive past it every day going to work, yesterday curiosity got the better of me and the OH and I went for a visit.
As I had guessed from what I'd seen from the motorway, the building had never been finished.
On our way back to the car we spoke to a few locals who told us it was 'Jimmy Wilsons Farm'. A rather eccentric man who was forever having livestock escape into the neighbouring residential area and during the building of the motorway, took two clydesdale horses into Glasgow court to protest that he wasn't getting any money for 'his' land.
He started to build this house, apparently it was going to be lovely, lots of specially sculpted stones of horses heads and such. Unfortunately during construction Jimmy passed away, and no more work on the property was ever done. According the locals he was also a scrap merchant. On the land there is the house and the remains of a number of other buildings/sheds. Apparently his ashes were scattered on the grounds.
(If anyone can confirm any of this, or add any info I'd be every interested :) )

I DONT NO HOW TO POST ON THIS BUT THIS IS MY FATHER AND I WOULD LIKE  THIS REMOVED AS ITS A LOAD OF sh!te WHAT YOU HAVE PUT ON THIS THANKS LYNN WILSON XXXX
lynn wilson

I WOULD LIKEALL THIS REMOVED ABOUT JIMMY WILSON AS IT A LOADS OF CRAP I AM HIS DAUGHTER LYNN WILSON ANY 1 WANTTO ASKE ME>> lwilson_725@msn.com AND I WILL GIVE OUTTHE FACTS
Stuball

Hello Lynn,

Your above posts are not going to be released for other forum members to view as it's rude and quite frankly, uncalled for.
The original post was someone's account of what they'd been told by other local residents and not the opinion of that person.
I can understand why you may not like it, but again, it's an account of other peoples story.
If you wish to set the record straight, feel free... but do it in a polite and mannerly fashion or the post will simply not be cleared and we will have to remove you from the forum.
lynn wilson

Stuball wrote:
Hello Lynn,

Your above posts are not going to be released for other forum members to view as it's rude and quite frankly, uncalled for.
The original post was someone's account of what they'd been told by other local residents and not the opinion of that person.
I can understand why you may not like it, but again, it's an account of other peoples story.
If you wish to set the record straight, feel free... but do it in a polite and mannerly fashion or the post will simply not be cleared and we will have to remove you from the forum.
well i dontlike any one say WRONG thing about my dad ok and i ambeing polte about it
James

What, specifically, is wrong about the post by iiisecondcreep?



James H
iiisecondcreep

Wow


Thanks Stu.
cybers

iiisecondcreep wrote:
Wow


Thanks Stu.


Aye it's your fault "this time" ....   Not quite sure where the problem could lie in what you reported but sounds like it might be a family member taking umbrage at you ....
Stuball

Nobody on this forum said anything wrong about your father Lynn.... it was merely a hearsay report from other people. Maybe you need to ask the neighbours and public to retract THEIR statements.
cybers

Lynn We would love to hear your side of the story as Stu said sometimes we are not in possession of the full facts and sometimes things get a little muddled in the wash.  Please do re-word what it is you are trying to tell us as this was probably one of the most important saga's of the whole M74/73 extensions. As we are a site that deals in Historical fact it is not always easy to get to the truth because in most cases the people involved like your father have passed on and if you have a look around the site we get to a general status quo until someone else like yourself arrives and clarifies a situation by filling in the blanks.

Most of what iiisecondcreep reported has been said around Carmyle and the Bargeddie areas for years as I had heard most of them myself but you have the chance here to put the story straight without us or yourself being judged or judgemental.

I do sincerely hope you reconsider your approach  
Subzero

What I heard (from another daughter) a good few years ago was that the old man started to build this without planning permission - and I'm sure it was a few years before the motorway extension was built (memories of the story in the ET in the 80s).
sue 1

cybers wrote:
I had mentioned this site to Stu a wee while ago ... As i seen it most days from the motorway and had always wondered about it.
If it's the same guy John i think he racked up loads of fines for doing that same thing you mentioned but for some reason they could not take him to court to force payment... Pretty sure his argument was about the legality of the purchase deal they did or access that was promised...

Used to be quite a common site with his neddy and bogey... though he did sensibly stick the the shoulder .... must have put the shits up the horse though...

The farm was owned by Jimmy Wilson, who lived there with his wife Jeanette and about 6 kids in the 1970's, Jimmy was in the rag and bone trade and had his horses and carts stationed where the Celtic shop is now at Parkhead. He also ran pony trekking from the farm in the 70's and I spent a lot of my childhood here. He also used his farm for land fill for old Glasgow buildings that were being knocked down. This used to be a lovely place and have very fond memories of my childhood here spent with the many horses . It is so sad looking at what is left of the farm as this to me was a magical place as a child. Jimmy did take 2 Clydesdale horses into the City Chambers building in protest about something.
cybers

sue 1 wrote:
cybers wrote:
I had mentioned this site to Stu a wee while ago ... As i seen it most days from the motorway and had always wondered about it.
If it's the same guy John i think he racked up loads of fines for doing that same thing you mentioned but for some reason they could not take him to court to force payment... Pretty sure his argument was about the legality of the purchase deal they did or access that was promised...

Used to be quite a common site with his neddy and bogey... though he did sensibly stick the the shoulder .... must have put the shits up the horse though...

The farm was owned by Jimmy Wilson, who lived there with his wife Jeanette and about 6 kids in the 1970's, Jimmy was in the rag and bone trade and had his horses and carts stationed where the Celtic shop is now at Parkhead. He also ran pony trekking from the farm in the 70's and I spent a lot of my childhood here. He also used his farm for land fill for old Glasgow buildings that were being knocked down. This used to be a lovely place and have very fond memories of my childhood here spent with the many horses . It is so sad looking at what is left of the farm as this to me was a magical place as a child. Jimmy did take 2 Clydesdale horses into the City Chambers building in protest about something.


I wonder if there are any photos of this place he stored his horses as i used to use the old railway line to go to school from Dalserf St to Riverside in Springfield Road and cannot remember any kind of stables there even when the bridge crossed London Road I remember there was a group of Lockups in Barrowfield St the "MoDS" used to store their scooters and my old man stored his motorbike in there too ? could this be the place as Kerrydale st i always remember as a cleared site with 2 big billboards on it where the PH Rebels used to fight the Daly Toi ....

Such a pity Lynn Wilson never came back into the forum and got involved as this is quite an interesting story but its a little distorted with time and whispers.
sue 1

cybers wrote:
sue 1 wrote:
cybers wrote:
I had mentioned this site to Stu a wee while ago ... As i seen it most days from the motorway and had always wondered about it.
If it's the same guy John i think he racked up loads of fines for doing that same thing you mentioned but for some reason they could not take him to court to force payment... Pretty sure his argument was about the legality of the purchase deal they did or access that was promised...

Used to be quite a common site with his neddy and bogey... though he did sensibly stick the the shoulder .... must have put the shits up the horse though...

The farm was owned by Jimmy Wilson, who lived there with his wife Jeanette and about 6 kids in the 1970's, Jimmy was in the rag and bone trade and had his horses and carts stationed where the Celtic shop is now at Parkhead. He also ran pony trekking from the farm in the 70's and I spent a lot of my childhood here. He also used his farm for land fill for old Glasgow buildings that were being knocked down. This used to be a lovely place and have very fond memories of my childhood here spent with the many horses . It is so sad looking at what is left of the farm as this to me was a magical place as a child. Jimmy did take 2 Clydesdale horses into the City Chambers building in protest about something.


I wonder if there are any photos of this place he stored his horses as i used to use the old railway line to go to school from Dalserf St to Riverside in Springfield Road and cannot remember any kind of stables there even when the bridge crossed London Road I remember there was a group of Lockups in Barrowfield St the "MoDS" used to store their scooters and my old man stored his motorbike in there too ? could this be the place as Kerrydale st i always remember as a cleared site with 2 big billboards on it where the PH Rebels used to fight the Daly Toi ....

Such a pity Lynn Wilson never came back into the forum and got involved as this is quite an interesting story but its a little distorted with time and whispers.
There is not distorted by time, me and my friends used to go to the stables at Celtic park on a Friday night and ride them from there back to the farm at Carmyle as they were used during the week for the rag and bone carts then used at the weekends for pony trekking. I done this every Friday night for years.
cybers

Not your input Sue about the stables but the original saga over the motorway and the retirement villa is a little distorted is what i meant.
paulsplace

Hey

very interesting thread.

would love to visit and take some pics of this building.

Can anyone tell me exactly where it is?

thanks

Paul
cybers

Read the threads properly most if not all of them tell you exactly where they are and a lot of them hint at it ...
Its not all handed on a plate and some of the stuff you need to work at a little mate so you have the feeling of achievement at the end of it all.
paulsplace

okey dokey

was only asking!!

chill mate
Stuball

Re: Jimmy Wilsons Farm, Carmyle

lynn wilson wrote:
iiisecondcreep wrote:
Had a search through the forum and can't seem to find a thread on this :\

First saw this from the motorway a few years back, I've wondered what it was ever since. I now drive past it every day going to work, yesterday curiosity got the better of me and the OH and I went for a visit.
As I had guessed from what I'd seen from the motorway, the building had never been finished.
On our way back to the car we spoke to a few locals who told us it was 'Jimmy Wilsons Farm'. A rather eccentric man who was forever having livestock escape into the neighbouring residential area and during the building of the motorway, took two clydesdale horses into Glasgow court to protest that he wasn't getting any money for 'his' land.
He started to build this house, apparently it was going to be lovely, lots of specially sculpted stones of horses heads and such. Unfortunately during construction Jimmy passed away, and no more work on the property was ever done. According the locals he was also a scrap merchant. On the land there is the house and the remains of a number of other buildings/sheds. Apparently his ashes were scattered on the grounds.
(If anyone can confirm any of this, or add any info I'd be every interested :) )

I DONT NO HOW TO POST ON THIS BUT THIS IS MY FATHER AND I WOULD LIKE  THIS REMOVED AS ITS A LOAD OF sh!te WHAT YOU HAVE PUT ON THIS THANKS LYNN WILSON XXXX


We never did get a conclusion to this, did we?
James

Nope.


James H
cybers

I take it Lynn was as much a fruitloop as her auld man judging by the unreleased posts ?

She was given the option to put it right and tell their side of story but chose another path...
Might take a wee wander by here this weekend see if it would pass muster as a glazed emporium.
Hawick_1987

Cracking story whether it's true or not. Would never have found this unless the topic had been re-visited!  
cybers

Hawick the story is fantastic i get the feeling the truth would have been even more amazing unfortunately the truth is out there in the head of someone who never returned to let the world in on the tale and who just issued demands. It seems strange they had the option to put it to rights but instead decided to sign up for a forum and claim it all as sh!te...

Even legends have some footing in the truth after all.
eastendboy

carmyle

What a shame this thread ground to a dead end.

Born and brought up in Carmyle but only really saw the farm after it was dissected by a motorway, which threatened locals all our lives. The M74 extension was coming we were told, and it's incredible how it changed the entire area. I remember the name Wilson and Carmyle was a quirky wee village that was always on the edge of Glasgow, nearer to Lanarkshire.

Why did I not take photographs? - this site is a credit to people of Glasgow who had the foresight to record and explore.
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