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Last days of the Old Gorbals - Discussion Thread

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Streapadair,
Thank you so much for posting that massive photo colection,
It is without doubt the best post this site or any other Glasgow site has ever seen.
It has also made me cry, It is an area I remember well as a child and
I thank you from the bottom of my heart for taking the time to do it.
James

streapadair.

Absolutely sensational.

Many thanks for scanning and posting these.   I had no idea so much of the old
Gorbals was still there in the early 70's. I had assumed it was all swept away in
the mid 60's.

I forsee a few past present pictures on the horizon, as long as thats ok with you?  



James H
streapadair

Fire away, James, you're seriously good at it. The contrasts will be stark.

The pc started playing silly buggers before I finished the post, maybe I was lucky to get away as much as I did, so there's a few more still to come.


Chief Inspector - sorry, I've only just noticed you posted before James. It's very gratifying to know that the pictures mean so much to someone, and I had hoped that a former Gorbalite might see them. It's a pity I hadn't gone round with a camera 10 years earlier, before the place was half-dead, but better late than never I suppose.
James

streapadair wrote:
Fire away, James, you're seriously good at it. The contrasts will be stark.

The pc started playing silly buggers before I finished the post, maybe I was lucky to get away as much as I did, so there's a few more still to come.

streapadair.

Maybe an idea if you post 4 or 5 pictures in one post - makes it a bit easier for
people to quote and remark on a particular picture.  It really doesn't matter how
many posts you make either.  


*EDIT* - and by all mean edit your first post into more managable bite sized
posts if you like.


James H
Stuball

Fantastic set of pictures... thanks so much for posting them. I'm shocked at the difference between the pictures and from what I know as the current Gorbals. The Citizens is a surprise... and did I see Sher Bros in one?
rotten milk

fecking lovely

(briefly) ignoring the tenements, it's the shop fronts that do it for me - individual businesses going about their business, although 'shaheen' seem to be buiding up a chain

thanks for this post, probly never seen before on t'interweb!

EDIT - so busy lookin at the buildings, what a treasure trove of vehicules! who remembers the cars in the phots?
dickyhart

excellent, thank you for sharing them with us!!
John

Well I said I was looking forward to more pics and by jove you got  me hooked...these pics are stunning I have gone back constantly to view them again and again..Thank you for sharing them and keep them coming
cybers

What an amazing post ... I no doubt am thinking the same as everyone else now...
What other gems you may have hidden away...
Feel free to keep them coming as i am totally hooked...
As for the vehicles theres a few Maxi's and Hillman Hunters in there and the gorbals is devoid of traffic jams ...
Oh Happy Days...  
sputnik

wow,im blown away with this collection.i too could not have imagined that so much was still standing in the seventies.my dad will be eighty in may and his house may be in there,corner of crown st and hospital st.cant wait to show him though there may be a few tears.thank you so much strepadair
UG_admin

That is, without question, an amazing set of photos streap! I can't help thinking of the gameshow Bullseye, lets see what you could have won, with some renovation and imagination...
kev

AMAZING...When going through these for some reason I started to think of the car chase in the movie The Blue Lamp The street scapes are remarkably similar...What a lost world...As I said in a previous post I bet there were a load of people like Streapadair went out and did what he did not thinking that anyone would ever be remotly interested and these photos are lying about forgotten..cheers Stread  .. looking forward to some more
fastnet

Fantastic set of pictures.

the contrast of then and now is amazing.

thank you for sharing these with us all.
kev

Check out the " Watchie,s " hut in the last picture.. bit different to the present day ..Ahem.. Security companys
Jock58

Hi streapadair
What a great set of photos
The one i recognize is the view along Clyde side.
I used to wait on the other side of the river for the red bus, No 8 or 10.

This picture has also jogged a memory of my mum taking me to see some monkeys around that area, but I'm not too sure if thats true or just my imagination.  
I just remember a terrible smell and wanting to get out. I suppose mid 60's era

Jock58
Hugo Drax

Thanks for sharing these. I now need to go and lie down in a darkened room for a wee while to chase away the memories.
peter kemp

Astounding. Words dont express what these pics show. It just all comes flooding back as though it was yesterday.
Fjord

streapadair what can I say but this thread definitely merits an OMFG cliché.  

What an astounding collection of photographs I've ever seen. I'd go as far and say that these photographs are equally as good as anything by Mazzarolli/ Hume etc. if not better.
 
 I'm sure everyone who views them will be blown away. They're not just good they're historically important to Glasgow and the Gorbals and it's privilege for UG to be hosting them.

Cheers
falseface

fantastic
thanks for sharing
HollowHorn

Wonderfull set of photographs, thanks for posting & please keep them coming. Don't make the mistake of thinking some of the ones you have in your collection may not be of much interest, post them anyway, no detail is too small.

Jock, as far as I know, there was a little 'Zoo' on Carlton Place at one point, can't remember where I read about it though.

Mods, can we split this into two threads, one of the photos & one for discussions?
Jock58

HollowHorn wrote:


Jock, as far as I know, there was a little 'Zoo' on Carlton Place at one point, can't remember where I read about it though.


HH
That could well be what i remember, All i know is i was very young & it scared the bejeezus out of me.
I'm pretty sure it was in a house not out doors, to me as a kid it was very dark & smelly.

jock58
HollowHorn

Jock58 wrote:
I'm pretty sure it was in a house not out doors, to me as a kid it was very dark & smelly.


From another Glasgow site:
Quote:
I remember my father taking me to the zoo in Carlton place ,there was quite a few animals there but the one i remember most was an old lion.in they days it was like an adventure seeing animals that you only read about or were told about in stories,looking back it must have been terrible for the animals especially the lion ,as after all the zoo/menagerie was only inside like a big house,great times though.


Quote:
WILSON'S ZOO, 68-76 OSWALD STREET
The Wilson family operated a commercial zoo in Glasgow for many years. On Wednesday 23rd December, 1936, a 'miniature zoo' opened inside a disused church near Glasgow's Central Station, renovated and modernised for its new purpose. This replaced an earlier zoo under the railway arches in Argyle Street. The Oswald Street establishment, owned by William Wilson and his son, housed a varied collection, including lions, a black panther, monkeys, a badger, parrots, macaws and a delightful mynah bird remembered for saying, "Where's the sawdust man?" in a broad Glaswegian accent. It was very popular and crowded, with two levels of cages and a pet shop in the basement. This zoo continued to operate until the 1950s. When it closed, the pet shop business moved just across the River Clyde to Carlton Place.

http://www.spanglefish.com/exoduskids/index.asp?pageid=118962


The Chief may be able to shed more light on this.
Jock58

Great info HH
That must be the place i remember.
I have always loved animals but my only memory of this place,
is how much i wanted to get away from it.
Even as a small child i must have known it was not a good place for the animals to be.

I will need to surf in & look for some info this place.
Jock58
Chief Inspector

Aye Calton Place until the mid/late 70's for sure. I'm sure it was the building in the terrace that has the false facade now. It was a dark smelly place that housed mainly reptiles and small animals,there were tropical fish as well and i'm sure many were for sale.
HollowHorn

Chief Inspector wrote:
Aye Calton Place until the mid/late 70's for sure. I'm sure it was the building in the terrace that has the false facade now. It was a dark smelly place that housed mainly reptiles and small animals,there were tropical fish as well and i'm sure many were for sale.

Sounds like the 'Pet Shop Business' mentioned earlier as opposed to the 'Zoo'.
norrie

gorbals photos

Hi strepadair, I have died and gone to heaven.
I have never seen so many new old photos of Gorbals on the one site ever.
I have a large collection of old Gorbals Photos from the Planning dept and few of them are as good as this collection.
Did you take the photos?
Can I have permission to copy them to a site that I am part of the admin team Glescapals, I have posted many of my Gorbals photos on there.
I will of course make my collection avalaible to you, what do  you say?
I will check out that location of the church you are not sure of.
Thanks for the great show, anymore?
Bye for now, norrie
kev

Anyone got an old A/Z they can scan in to get a perspective on these fabulous photographs ?
streapadair

Hi Norrie,

Thanks. Aye, do what you like with the photos (yes, they're all mine) - I've already mentioned to one of the mods that I'm not bothered about copyright issues.

kev9 - I have in front of me an interesting Glasgow street atlas of the late 20s/early 30s (I think - e.g. it was before Mosspark was built) at 5" to the mile. I can easily scan it and put it up here.

Thanks to everyone who said they enjoyed the photos, I'm delighted that you did.
streapadair

Here's a street plan of the Gorbals from that atlas for anyone who wants to find their way around. I had to merge two pages to cover the area, so some of the lettering goes a bit wonky around the Cumberland St vicinity.

Some of the street names have  changed, e.g. Main St became Gorbals St and Govan St became Ballater St.

norrie

I got maps from The Mitchell for parts of Gorbals, I find them a great help in my Gorbals stuff.
Bye for now, norrie
norrie

Hi strepadir, I have checked out my gorbals maps and I reckon you are right in the location of the church.
The church is on Rutherglen rd , the street to the right is Florence st and the street to the left is Crown st.
The only thing not right is the spare gound in front of the church, my map shows houses but of course these could have been pulled down long before the photo was taken.
I hope this is of some help.
Thanks for the permission to use your photos, can your email me your name so that you get the credit for these photos.
I have posted some of the Gorbals photos I have in my collection on www.glescapals.com
All of the photos are from Planning Dept.
I can email copies to anyone who wants a particular photos, please dont contact the planners.

Bye for now, norrie
gallowgategal

Streapadair

Your photographs are brilliant  
glasgowken


Didn't you take one of Larkfield Garage further along ?  

Stunning photies btw
cybers

Gotta Say this has turned into a phenomenal Thread and have to agree with HH it should be split the same as the UG collection.
These photos are inspiring, gripping, and just so sad all at the same time.
Thanks for taking the time to scan and share them with us.
Were you just passing the time when you took them or was there another reason ?
Regardless they are wonderful.
Stuball

St Andrews Works is still in use by Scottish Power... it houses a couple of fairly large substations. Just walk by the doors and you'll hear the buzz. The block at the north end is empty though
norrie

Hi strepadair, my cup runneth over.
More great shots of Gorbals.
That area Mckinlay st Turriff st comes under the Gorbals ward .
I have posted you previous photos on glscapals but could only credit it them to Urbanglasgow as I dont have to your name .
Keep up the good work, these photos are gems.
I dont suppose you photographed the East end, Dalmarnock, Bridgeton Calton etc
If I have anything you want in the way of Photos of Glasgow, ask, I may have them.
Bye for now, norrie
Fjord

streapadair wrote:


I have in front of me an interesting Glasgow street atlas of the late 20s/early 30s (I think - e.g. it was before Mosspark was built) at 5" to the mile. I can easily scan it and put it up here.



That's great atlas there's so much 'lost' info that's hard to come by these days it would be great if you could post some more
James

cybers wrote:
Gotta Say this has turned into a phenomenal Thread and have to agree with HH it should be split the same as the UG collection.

Done.  



James H
streapadair

Glasgowken - no, sorry, none of Larkfield Garage, but is it not still there? Until 18 months ago I used to cycle past it every day, and unless I was missing something it was still in use then.

cybers - no, not just passing. It was by way of a personal project, record what was left before it was too late, though I never really thought anyone else would ever be interested. Most were taken on Sunday mornings, or Sunday evenings if late sunlight was preferable, so maybe the lack of traffic is a little deceptive.

Stuball - right, I should have known it was still in use, with that stout  wooden door.

norrie - something like 'by permission of D. McCallum' would do fine. I'll see what I can find from the east end, there is some but not very much.

Fjord - it is a fascinating document, all the postwar housing schemes open farmland. I can put it in a separate Glasgow from the Past thread, if that's ok with the mods. I also have it on CD, 23 images at 6MB each, would take forever to download unless your connection's a lot faster than mine, so if you, or anyone else, likes to PM me a postal address I'll burn and send you a copy.
norrie

Hi strepadair, what can I say, what great photos of Gorbals.
I am only sorry that I took up photography too late to get this kind of thing.
I am putting that to rights by photographing all the tenements in Glasgow, hope to finish this year.
One day I will be famous but by then I will be dead
Thanks again for all your efforts.
Bye for now, Norrie
glasgowken

streapadair wrote:
Glasgowken - no, sorry, none of Larkfield Garage, but is it not still there? Until 18 months ago I used to cycle past it every day, and unless I was missing something it was still in use then.

Oh aye it was, but nothing wrong with some old snaps too  
Anyway, great photos  
norrie

Hi there, D.McCallum, you wouldnt be the one I know from Miltonbank school by any chance?

If you have photos of the east end my webmaster will enshrine your name forever
I hope you have more of Gorbals, I never lived there but I worked as concierge in the high rise flats at Norfolk Court at Gorbals Cross.
I worked there from 1994 till  retired early in 2006.
Working there gave me the interest in Gorbals, and from that I was involved in a book called The Gorbals an Illustrated History.
The book was my idea  and using photos from The Planning Dept , I contacted a publisher, the rest is history.
I was asked to write it but I am not a writer.
My 15 minutes of fame, I get a mention  along with the planner who gave me access to the photos.

Bye for now, norrie

PS I tried to send a Pm but I am not sure of how this web site works
Alex Glass

You take a couple of days off and when you log back on it is like you have entered a different place. WOW

I know just about everything has been said before but it is so great to see so many great photos of a part of the city which has changed so much and from someone who isn't worried about sharing them with everyone.

It is a treat to be associated with the website and great to have a discussion thread were every contribution is almost as good as the photos posted. (Not to take anything from the greatness of these photos)

I believe that this is a testimony to everyone involved here that these photos have been made available here. Well done to everyone especially Streapadair.
escotregen

streapadair I have just come back to the board after a short time 'doing other things' and was greatly impressed by your portfolio. I'ts heart aching to look at some of those fine buildings we have lost - but that makes records like yours all the more invaluable.

Can I add my wee tuppence worth by saying that where you bought your camera from, Charles Frank, was where I started my working life  Luckily for me I moved on, becuase as I have posted elsewhere, I decades later found out that the workshops I worked in were condemmed due to radiation contamination. This arose from the ex WD equipment bought by Frank for reconditioning and resale. I've heard at various times and places of the considerable proportion of the workers from there who later died of cancer... aye, the good old days
HollowHorn

The more I think about it, SD, the more I could put my toe up yir erse. You were actually thinking of throwing these photograps away?  

First thing you should have done was to contact a publisher, there was wonderful book just waiting to be published using these photographs, too late now, I'm glad to say.  

The other thing is, if you really want to preserve these photos for future generations, gift them to the Mitchell Library the proviso being that you/we offer our services (for free) to upload them into the 'Virtual' section.
Glen TK

I've just got to add what a fantastic selection of pictures, my only connections to Glasgow are through work (around and about in a car transporter) and all within the last six or seven years so it's a real eye opener.

My real buzz comes from the churchphotographs and history of the buildings, the Cunningham Memorial Church pic is just amazing, without the thread i would probably have never known it existed.
norrie

Hi Hollowhorn, nice to see you on this thread, I wondered where you had gotten to.
Bye for now, norrie
streapadair

HollowHorn - Book? Yir fanny. What these photos prove is that any old rubbish, if it survives for long enough, will become interesting and valued, e.g. the Time Team wetting themselves over a broken clay pipe or bone needle. It did cross my mind to contact the Mitchell, as an alternative to a binning. Probably will in the end, thanks for the link.

Escotregen - That sounds like a narrow escape. Who would have thought a photo shop a hazardous working environment? I've been preparing some '73 shots of the Saltmarket, Frank's is in a couple of them.

Glen TK - The Cunninghame (as I think I should have called it) Memorial was an amazing church, and I must try to find out something of its history. I've got 3 or 4 shots of it, from different angles. I read about the fire in the paper, went down the next day to see what was left, but the bulldozers had already been.
norrie

Hi strepadair,a book  why not ?, there have been plenty written about Gorbals but what would make yours interesting is the fact that all the photos are personal, never been on show before.
I have a friend who said he would be interestestd in doing a book for you.

Anyway, never mind about that for now, you just keep posting all those wonderful photos of Gorbals, I cant get enough of them.
I have told my wife, when I die, dont chip out my photos, give them to the Mitchell
They may be crap but they are my crap
Bye for now, norrie
timewarp

http://www.histografica.com is a good place to archive such pictures and locate them on a Google map.
Alex Glass

Hi Timewarp

Welcome to Urban Glasgow and thanks for the link.
Becky

Sorry, I posted this by mistake in the picture thread. Could an admin remove it please?

First, as a newbie it would be rude of me not to say hello. So hiya. I'm from Busby originally but lived in Govanhill for nearly ten years. At the moment I'm living in Birmingham but hope to move back home in the next few years.

Back on topic... I really enjoyed these pictures of the old Gorbals. I'm too young to relate to them, but the 'three survivors' stood out for me. The photo that struck me most was the view down crown street with the Nautical College at the end. I studied there for a time.

I've heard on more than one occasion somebody say that they ripped the heart out of the Gorbals when they modernised it. Now I can see what they did exactly. When I stayed in Govanhill I fell in love with the tenement. It's a crying shame that they didn't retain any. It seems to me that what happened to the Gorbals was not so much planning as annhialation! It's like a little town was wiped off the map. Very sad.

Peace.
fastnet

Welcome to UG becky.....  

We all make mistakes sometimes...
Becky

fastnet wrote:
Welcome to UG becky.....  

We all make mistakes sometimes...


Thanks for that, and for the welcome.

Peace.
Becky

I was having a wee play with Google street-view tonight. Moving along Gorbals Street I came across a building that I had forgot about but had fascinated me over the years. It's a short tenement building at the corner with Bedford Lane. I think there used to be a monumental sculptor there but going by GSV there seems to be nothing there now, other than a Hampden Taxis poster.

Is this the last gorbals tenenement standing? I wonder if it has any future... It would be lovely to see renovated as some sort of community space, or even as flats if it saved the building. I imagine the floors inside have collapsed and stuff, but maybe not. Does anyone know.

Peace.
HollowHorn

There was something about a large needle sticking through that building some time ago (art instalation) ask Fyord or Stu about it.

Peace to you too. (Ya auld hippy)
Stuball

Don't ask me.... never heard of such a thing...

Is it not an old Linen Bank?
HollowHorn

Stuball wrote:
Linen Bank?

That's it, linen. Big sewing needle it was. Ask the Chief.
Chief Inspector

aye
cybers

Where were you on the night of the 25th ?
and did you poke anything with a large needle ?  
norrie

Hi Becky yes you are correct that building is the last tenement in Gorbals
Ok you have tenements in Norfolk st and Bridge St but thats Laurieston, one also in Ballater st but again that is Hutchesontown.
There was talk a number of years ago that The Granite pub, Cumberland st ,Cathcart rd was going to take over the building, nothing came of it.
The local kids used to play in the building but I think it has been secured now.
It would be good to see it revamped and in use, perhaps when they start building the new housing for that area it will get the makeover it needs.
having said all that I wont be surprised if it suddenly goes on fire and has to be demolished.
I am sure I have photos of the building from the 60s and possibly earlier
I will have a look and try and post them on here.
Bye for now, norrie
brotherwalfrid

Streapadair,,,
i thank you from the bottom of my heart for these fantastic pics
i thought i had seen every photo going about the Gorbals but you`re pics have just blown me away. i have a website of gorbals pics etc in webshots,  would it be ok to post some of you`re pics ? i would be eternaly gratefull.  

brotherwalfrid.
norrie

Hi brotherwilfrid, I have loads of Gorbals photos also, any chance of swaps?
Bye for now, norrie
brotherwalfrid

norrie wrote:
Hi brotherwilfrid, I have loads of Gorbals photos also, any chance of swaps?
Bye for now, norrie


No problem norrie.
just type in andycarberry  webshots   and help yourself.
if you have any problems let me know.
streapadair

Go right ahead, brotherwalfrid, no problem. Many thanks for your kind words.

Becky - you're right, as the guys have said. I'd overlooked the British Linen Bank building in my '3 survivors' list. It was in fine condition then, the bank gone but the flats above it still inhabited, but it was already almost as isolated, the Stirlingfauld flats (now themselves gone) towering above it. The monumental masons round the corner were Liptons.

You mentioned a church on the corner of Cathcart Rd and Calder St - it was the Candlish Memorial, a notable local landmark with its tall square-section steeple. I have a not-very-good photo of it which I'll put up some time. Also one of the church which stood at the corner of Cathcart Rd and Allison St, where the nursery is.
norrie

Hi brotherwalfrid, I was sure I replied to you last night but its not here, no matter.
I now know who you are, we have have dealt before, you gave me a copy of The EEs in Eglinton st.
I will go in and have a look at your website.
If you need anything from Gorbals there is a good chance I have a photo of it, only a few streets are missing.
Funny thing, Strepadair posted one of them Dunure St, I did not have a photo of that one.

Bye for now, Norrie ( ex concierge Norfolk Court))
Marti

Hi guys, i am currently living in the gorbals area and i am fascinated by all the old gorbals pictures.
Just one thing puzzles me....out of all the old pictures i have seen, there is not one old picture giving views of any of the stations including the old cumberland st railway station, or eglinton st station.
I would be really pleased if someone could post any.
Cheers, marty.
Stuball

There is a picture of Eglinton Street station somewhere on the forum... might be in the past/present thread
Stuball

Infact, here it is

http://urbanglasgow.co.uk/sutra9507.php#9507
Marti

Cheers for that.  
norrie

Hi stuball, I have seen those photos on another web site
I had never seen the Eglington station shot before that good photos.
Bye for now,Norrie
Becky

Thanks for the info. Interesting stuff there about the old linen bank. Was the linen bank a bank in the financial sense or something to do with the textile industry?

Norrie, I would love to see your photo of the Candish memorial church. I've searched the web a bit and found a few references but have not seen a photo of it.

Peace.
Becky.
Stuball

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Linen_Bank
streapadair

Hi Becky, yep, real kosher bank.




And just for you . . . Candlish Memorial, 1975

norrie

Hi Becky, it was strepandair who was going to post the photo of the church, I see he has done it, great photo.
I passed it as often and never took a photo, silly me.
Bye for now, norrie
norrie

Hi strepadair, great photo.
Bye for now, norrie
Becky

I found the stuff about the British Linen Bank interesting. Love the blue pound notes. Very distinctive. So many of the shops down here dont like to take scottish money, I'd love to hand over something like that just for the reaction.

As for the Candlish church. WOW! That is a real treat. My memory is playing tricks on me now, I can't decide if I remember seeing the church when I cycled to college (1994-1997) or if I remember it from trips to town when I was younger. It was gone when I moved to Cathcart road (Accross from fitness first) in 1997.

I do remember when those tenements where being renovated and there was big wooden structures supporting the front wall. At least that's what they appeared to be doing.

Damn I miss Govanhill, even though I have an idea how it has changed!

Thanks guys. Really appreciated that stuff.
norrie

Hi strepadair, can you mail me some of that money
Bye for now, norrie
streapadair

Nine bob note on its way.
brotherwalfrid

Streapadir  ta very much  
hiya Norrie  i remember you ok pal,  any pics of Florence street ?  
mr.underwood

Old Gorbals

Hi all you guys from Old Gorbals maybe you can help with this one.
When I was about 13 or 14,that would be over fifty years ago,my older brother was pals with a guy from Gorbals.His name was Tony and he was right into cycling.He had a little factory-shop type of thing where he chopped up sticks into little bundles for kindling.Remember there were coal fires in those far off days.He must have made a few bob at it as he had a fantastic racing cycle.We used to meet him in a cafe at Lugton where all the cyclists met,mostly on Sundays.The last I heard of him was that he had been seriously injured during a big race.I know its a long shot but you never know on this site.
brotherwalfrid

mr underwood
ask the same question on the GORBALS LIVE ANECDOTES site, loads of people on there from the gorbals etc  it`s a brilliant site.  
mr.underwood

Old gorbals

Thanks, Brother W!!!!!
Becky

Old Linen Bank

I was messing about with Google Street View and captured these. Sorry they're not original, but I'm a long way from home.







Peace,
Becky.
kev

Hi Becky.. How good is that middle shot of the tenement and the evidence of the old knocked down building.never used google street..is it that good?..As for not being original ..I think they are..A hell of a lot of the pictures on this site are from intrepid urban explorers and professional photographers from days gone by who I am sure would be delighted that their work was being looked and talked about and compared through the Past/Present section by future generations..I know I would..The Gorbals pics posted earlier came from an old book I found up in my mums attic ..Its full of old photos taken for the Evening  Citizen and as the commentary goes " one day they appeared in a newspaper next day they wrapped up somebodys chips and then were gone..anyway there are a load of photos in it that I am going to past /present..if they work they should be really good    cheers
Stuball

I keep meaning to have a look around the back of that building... I know theres a staircase leading to a blocked door on the 1st floot level.
Becky

Hi Kev,

Yeah google street view is very good. That's the reason why it is controversial (Privacy). As far as I know its mostly the cities that are on it just now. I connect quite often (no subscription needed) and roam around Glasgow when I'm feeling homesick. The southside seems to be well covered as it goes out as far as Busby and Waterfoot.

I do like that severed / gable end shot. I was looking at it again pondering what the structures down one side were. They looked like windows but couldn't be. I think they must be fireplaces.

Peace.
norrie

Good photos becky.
I suppose I could use that to see what tenements are in the areas I am photographing, could well miss some because I dont know the area.
I will still photogrph it my self.
My stuff may be duff, but its mine
Bye for now.
Becky

Hopefully I'll be back up in civilisation for a time in June. Maybe I'll try and take some shots myself then.

Peace.
James

streapadair wrote:
To continue . . .

I’ve neglected Bridge St / Eglinton St so far, which I think we can take as the western boundary  of the Gorbals. It was fairly intact in 1973 (indeed  quite a few of the buildings are still standing), but the bulldozers were gathering. South along the west side and back along the east.


Eglinton St, east side, south of Devon St.  August 1973.  The magisterial Queen’s Park Terrace, generally accepted as Thomson’s finest tenement block, built 1856-60.  One of the most notable in the city, it was A-listed,  but in the face of much protest the council went ahead with its demolition in 1981.




Eglinton St, east side at Devon St.  June 1975. In January 2000, after celebrating its year as European City of Architecture and Design, 1999, Glasgow ruthlessly destroyed one of Burnet's few remaining churches, the French Gothic Eglinton Congregational Church, 341 Eglinton Street, which included the destruction of pairs of fine Mossman angels and dragon gargoyles (1866). [Glasgow - City of Sculpture]


Great new batch of photos, streapadair.  

As for the demolition of Queen’s Park Terrace and the Eglinton Congregational
Church - just another piece of architectural vandalism carried out in Glasgow.  



James H
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Thanks for sharing Streapadair.
You can see my hoose in this new batch.

Thanks
norrie

Hi strepadair, again  you surprise me, my cup runneth over, more Gorbals photos of the highest quality.
Thank you once again, great photos
I wish I had your photos as well as the planning departments ,when  the book The Gorbals an Illustrated History was published.
Bye for now, norrie
sputnik

encore,encore.    
escotregen

Streapadair on Thomson’s Queen’s Park Terrace - whilst it was indeed the cooncil what did the actual dastardly demolition act, the-then Scottish Office had refused to provide necessary funding assistance to rescue and then rehabilitate the tenement.

Rescue of the building would have be a massive, technically risky and costly undertaking as most of the tenement rear end wanted to go off walkies into the backcourt. This was of course also the period of the Scottish Office being run on behalf of the Thatcher Administration in London with its obsessive hatred of all things local government.

Meantime of course most of the remaining owner-occupiers just refused to contemplate putting any contributions up for remedial works; they just demanded good quality rehousing from the cooncil (more evidence again against the propaganda that only owner-occupiers care about their property).

Reason I know all this, is that at that time I had just joined the old Scottish Special Housing Association who the council approached in desperation. There were complications for the SSHA at the time, for one thing it was already looking as though the council was making an a*** of its own early attempts at traditional tenement rescue and rehab –therefore who would want to get further involved with them in this field.

The other factor was that the otherwise impressive architects and technical team in the SSHA regional office in Glasgow just ‘did not get’ the Thomson thing. A number of the senior guys were not from Glasgow (or even Scotland) and the chief architect’s claim to fame is that he was a leading light in the planning and design of Milton Keynes.

… and by the way thanks again for your material posted here, it allows the likes of me to record some of the background oral history.
streapadair

Thanks for the background, Escotregen. It is easy (and quite satisfying) to heap abuse on the head of the Cooncil, but I realise it's never (or hardly ever) as simple as that. Mrs T's slash-and-burn campaign on local authority budgets must have been behind a lot of seeming municipal vandalism, and although Gavin Stamp did his best to spread the word there was still an underappreciation of Thomson's work in 1980 - the Thomson Society wasn't set up till 10 years later.

But the sad fact remains that QPT was a world-class building such as any city should have treasured, and sought to preserve by hook or by crook. Did anyone think to try for some private finance? Well-appointed flats in an A-listed building less than a mile from the city centre would have sold.

Thanks all - it's good to know these manky old negatives have an appreciative audience.
norrie

Hi strepadair, your old manky photos are appreciated  and not just on this site.
Thanks for not tossing them in the bin.
Bye for now, norrie
marisademeglio

what an interesting set of pictures and comments.  the one time i visited glasgow, i wandered across the river to have a closer look at an old building standing all by itself.  

http://www.flickr.com/photos/fivealive/sets/72157602334305885/

it's really great to read a bit more about it here and to learn about the history of the area.
norrie

Hi marisademeglio, the building is still there, I have been waiting for it to go on fire for some time
There was talk a few years ago that The Brazen Head Pub at the corner of Cumberland st and Cathcart rd would buy it for £1 and use it as a pub, it never happened .
The building should be used, its the last tenement in what is Gorbals
OH I know there a couple of other Tenements by ut they are in Laurieston and Hutchesontown.
Good photos.
Bye for now, norrie
marisademeglio

Here's one mention of restoring the building:
http://www.johngilbert.co.uk/?q=node/219

have they torn down any housing project towers yet?  are they mostly occupied or vacant?
fastnet

Welcome to the site marisademeglio.

Nice pics.  

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