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growler

Metropolitan Glasgow

I am just wondering what the forum thinks of Glasgow becoming a metropolitan city, in my opinion it's long overdue, do we really need all these small councils running districts that have duplicate services, plus the people who stay in places like Newton Mearns, Bearsden are Glaswegians but get away with the prize with not paying anything towards the city.  
Delmont St Xavier

Metrolpolitan city status incorporating Newton Mearns, Bearsden, etc as part of a bigger city or metropolis?  I can faintly recall when we had Greater Glasgow especially with the transport exectutive GG....

Where would you propose the metropolitan boundary ends?  I am thinking of my workin area of Airdrie that many within consider themselves to be 'Glaswegian' or living in the area of Glasgow's shadow....

Would we include those areas?

Answering your question - I simply don't know, sometimes I think Glasgow is far too big and certain parts fair better than others.  I would at times like to see us returning to the small burghs of Partick, etc but some of those burghs simply could not survive without the support of a 'bigger authority.'

Interesting question though!
norrie

Hi Growler, I lived in Glasgow till about 1979, now its Rutherglen
At that time Rutherglen was part of Glasgow and speaking as an incomer to Rutherglen I felt that Glasgow shafted Rutherglen, I know the native Rutheglen folk wanted nothing to do with Glasgow and wouldnt want to be swallowed up again

There was a problem with a burn that ran betwenn where I lived and the estate on the other side, the local councillor couldn't get Glasgow to budge on the problem, too costly
I said her Ok, I dont care but if the banking goes it will flood the estate behind me, not our houses
As soon as Rutherglen went back into South Lanarkshire, I contacted the planning dept and the new local councillor
They visited the site within days and said they had no knowledge of this problem, it was sorted with a few months and the eventually culverted the whole burn and not just the bit at my garden, problem solved
As much as I love Glasgow, I dont want to be taken back into their care
growler

norrie wrote:
Hi Growler, I lived in Glasgow till about 1979, now its Rutherglen
At that time Rutherglen was part of Glasgow and speaking as an incomer to Rutherglen I felt that Glasgow shafted Rutherglen, I know the native Rutheglen folk wanted nothing to do with Glasgow and wouldnt want to be swallowed up again

There was a problem with a burn that ran betwenn where I lived and the estate on the other side, the local councillor couldn't get Glasgow to budge on the problem, too costly
I said her Ok, I dont care but if the banking goes it will flood the estate behind me, not our houses
As soon as Rutherglen went back into South Lanarkshire, I contacted the planning dept and the new local councillor
They visited the site within days and said they had no knowledge of this problem, it was sorted with a few months and the eventually culverted the whole burn and not just the bit at my garden, problem solved
As much as I love Glasgow, I dont want to be taken back into their care


I see where your coming from but personally i think it's only a matter of time, we really dont need all these small councils which are costing you and me money duplicating services, i am a Glasgow black hack driver i have been for 27 yrs believe me i know where the city should finnish.
Subzero

At the local authority change in 1974 the affluent suburbs of Glasgow such as Bearsden & Milngavie, Newton Mearns and places like that fought tooth & nail to stay out of Glasgow's clutches - they were successful where Rutherglen wasn't, of course the latter was not as influential and so was consumed by the city to become a ward of the then Glasgow District Council for just over twenty years when it was returned to Lanarkshire in another change.

I'd bet there will never be a Metropolitan council because the forces that opposed it in 1974 are still there. Whats the point anyway? All the constituent suburbs are part of the metropolitan area and the fact they have their own wee councils doesn't alter that.
Delmont St Xavier

Recently in business dealings with two neighbouring local authorities to Glasgow, the view seems to be that Glasgow will once again see the return of Rutherglen to the 'fold.'  That's the view on the street from those high officials in office both elected and unelected...
norrie

Hi Delmont St Xavier, I do hope your wrong, Rutherglen folk had no reason to like being swalled up by Glasgow the first time and I dont think anything has changed
Dont suppose we would be be able to get a vote on it  thought not
Delmont St Xavier

Hi Norrie

It was a Provost of one authority and a Chief Executive of the other who made those comments to me.  Apparently there is another 'reorginisation' of boundaries coming our way (when I don't know and neither did they).

I'm just passing on what I heard, as it seems pertinent to the discussion and like you, I hope not too!

DSX
norrie

Hi Delmont St Xavier, perhaps a letter to the local paper is called for
willy-wonka

Just a few days ago I saw a man in the city centre who was handing out leaflets pleading his wish for Glasgow becoming a metropolitan city. I don't really know what to think of the whole "problem", there are advantages and inconveniences to both sides. I've never had any problems with the administration yet, that's why I don't really care. But I can understand that those who have already locked horns with the administration are pleading for a change.
fatweegee

I know from my work with various LA's that there are certainly those in positions of power who refer to a Metropolitan Glasgow Authority. Given some of the recent attempts for 7 or 8 of the core Glasgow area authorities, that were part of the 12 Strathclyde councils, to share services it does seem to have some credence. Also given the move to single police and fire services the national move seems to be towards centralisation, so I can see LA's merging, and in the Glasgow area this can only mean a Metro Glasgow Authority.
Subzero

Despite what you might hear Glasgow councillors wishing the Toffs of Bearsden and Newton Mearns who make a living within the Glasgow city boundary will never agree to become part of it politically.
And no edict handed down from Edinburgh will stand a chance of happening either, there is just far too much influence and money in these independent suburbs.

As I said earlier, what is the point?

Is it to enhance the status of Glasgow by appearing larger?

It already is what it is and instead of stating its population as only that contained within the political boundary (an absurd measurement) they should copy other cities across the world that incorporate suburbs and even independent towns in calculating a city's population. In Glasgow's case that would mean counting towns like Airdrie, Coatbridge, Motherwell, Hamilton, Wishaw, East Kilbride, N.M., Eastwood etc., Paisley and Renfrew, Clydebank and Dunbarton. Kirkintilloch, Bearsden and Milngavie.
me

i always thought the point of becoming a metropolitan area was so that Glasgow would get a share of the taxes raised in other areas.

the argument being that GCC only collects taxes from people living in the city yet provides services and facilities for the hoards of people that use it on a daily basis.

an example being when they spent millions on facilitating the roads etc for Braehead yet Braehead shops pay tax to another council.


dunno how it would all work tho
norrie

Hi Me, fair point, I never knew that Glasgow provided the roads to Braehead, does seem unfair
Subzero

Braehead re-zoned into Renfrew was yet another boundary change inspired by party politics.

Big cities always provide employment for people who live outwith boundaries. How many millions commute into the likes of London, New York or Paris?
Hawick_1987

On the topic of boundary issues I thought it would be interesting to source the extreme points of the City of Glasgow i.e. the northern, southern, eastern and westernmost parts. (07/10/2012)

Glasgow covers 67.76 sq mi or 175 sq km of land. This places the city 3rd in Scotland in terms of size, behind Edinburgh at 182 sq km and Aberdeen at 260 sq km. The official boundary was settled most recently on 1st April 2011, when the Princes Gate and Greenacres Estates, Robroyston were merged into East Dunbartonshire council (8 houses to East Dunbartonshire, 1 to Glasgow City and a rationalisation of the border around the estate to the Auchinairn roundabout).

West
Yoker is the westernmost district and the current boundary looks like this:


Dumbarton Road, Yoker


Glasgow Road, Clydebank


The Boundary Bar, situated fully within Clydebank


Midway out to the Clyde is the westernmost point of the boundary
me

Subzero wrote:


Big cities always provide employment for people who live outwith boundaries. How many millions commute into the likes of London, New York or Paris?


theyre all classed as metro areas tho, for the reasons i stated in my earlier post.
Hawick_1987

Looking 'up' the Clyde to the city centre from the westernmost point of land


The boundary then follows this small burn up to the bridge seen on Glasgow Road in the earlier photo.


East

The easternmost district is Easterhouse and the boundary looks like this:


Coatbridge Road, Bargeddie




But the eastern extremity is located off Cuilhill Road between the culvert of the Monkland Canal and the railway bridge over the canal.


Looking W back to Bailleston Interchange


A little further towards the city is Cuilhill Road


Hawick_1987

South

The southernmost district is Carmunnock, which is also the last remaining village within the boundary. Current boundary:


South out of the village at the confluence of two burns is the southernmost point of land, just below the ridge in this photo.


The burn then passes under Kittochside Road which follows the boundary into Carmunnock.




Hawick_1987

North

The northernmost district is Summerston and the boundary looks like this:


The most northern point is just east of the Bardowie roundabout at the crook of a burn. (photos to follow...)
Alex Glass

Brilliant work Hawick well done

Don't think there will be a change to Glasgow's boundary. Scottish and Westminster Governments wouldn't want to give anymore resources to Glasgow than they have to.
norrie

Hi Hawick, great job, well done
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