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joao40

Old Toll Bar

Good evening,

Does anyone know what is happening with the old toll bar at paisley road toll?

It closed in January I think because someone removed a structural wall in the basement and there was some kind of collapse. That is why the takeaways next to it are closed too.

Would be a shame for the building to be condemned with its historic interior.
joao40

Save the old toll bar to prevent a south side obliteration

Check out this page for a bit of info for the old toll bar.

It is actually one of the most important bars in Glasgow in terms of historical interiors.


http://www.heritagepubs.org.uk/pu...-heritage-pub-entry.asp?pubid=253
Targer

I would be interested in any more info on the removal of structural support walls etc. This sort of thing has happened recently before in Glasgow. The person involved in that one left the country before charges could be laid.
joao40

http://content.yudu.com/Library/A...tRenfrewshirePres/resources/5.htm

here is an article with more details for anyone interested. Some scences from the recent Irvine welsh film Filth were filmed in it.
joao40

TOLL BAR CLOSED BY FAILING WALL

Tenants moved out 'for months'

ONE of Glasgow's most historic pubs is expected to stay closed for months due to a structural fault.

The Old Toll Bar on Paisley Road West has been shut since January 6 after it was reported that an external wall had moved.

Tenants from four flats above the Old Toll were evacuated to alternative accommodation and the adjoining Q-wok Chinese takeaway and Istanbul kebab shop were also forced to close.

Local residents told The Press this week that it was believed the slippage in the building was caused by a supporting wall being removed in the basement.

Glasgow City Council said its Building Control officers had been informed but that the situation was now the responsibility of the tenement's multiple owners.

A spokesman said: "We believe that surveyors and engineers have been appointed to assess the condition of the building.

“We will be informed when they come to a decision. The council has not been involved in re-homing the tenants."

The Old Toll Bar can dale its history back to 1874.

And its spectacular gantry has been in place since 1893, when the pub was described in a trade newspaper as "one of the most handsome bars in Glasgow", Vintage mirrors and whisky barrels still adorn the pub.

And in November 2012 movie star James McAvoy was among the big names who headed for the Southside boozer to film scenes for Filth, the new flick based on the Irvine Welsh novel.

The Istanbul kebab shop next door was famous throughout the city for its lamacun flatbreads.
Stuball

joao40 wrote:
the responsibility of the tenement's multiple owners.


Which will delay things by years... the upper owners won't want to pay anything while the pub owner will expect everyone to contribute. Letters and debates will drag on between everyone and the factor for months before anything is started.
joao40

Stuball wrote:
joao40 wrote:
the responsibility of the tenement's multiple owners.


Which will delay things by years... the upper owners won't want to pay anything while the pub owner will expect everyone to contribute. Letters and debates will drag on between everyone and the factor for months before anything is started.


It is a shame that that happens.

By the time any building work is done the structure of the building may deteriorate to make it uneconomical to fix, so the sooner they get these things fixed the better.

In the rest of the UK most flats are all leasehold, the opposite way to Scotland where most flats are freehold. Its great for the home owner owning the property outright, but if flats in Scotland were leasehold, over the years it may have meant that many nice tenements would have been better maintained, and may will still be with us today.
colmar

OK I don’t know the circumstances but I’m guessing, like most people on here are doing, the basement is probably part of the pub. Far from “expecting everyone to contribute”, the pub owner presumably either sanctioned the removal of the load bearing wall, or was at least complicit in its removal and therefore bears responsibility for the damage caused. What about building insurance, naïve though that may seem?
joao40

colmar wrote:
OK I don’t know the circumstances but I’m guessing, like most people on here are doing, the basement is probably part of the pub. Far from “expecting everyone to contribute”, the pub owner presumably either sanctioned the removal of the load bearing wall, or was at least complicit in its removal and therefore bears responsibility for the damage caused. What about building insurance, naïve though that may seem?


Common sense would say that it should be the person that caused the damage that should foot the bill, but we don't know the exact circumstances. The owner of the bar might say it was like that when he bought it, and the building surveyor never reported it. The flat owners will also want the damage fixed before it progresses beyond a point of no return. The owners of the two takeaways that are closed will be looking for cash for loss of business, and if any of the flats are let out the landlords will be looking for loss of rent too.

As stuball said, it will take a long time to get it sorted out, lets hope they get it done before it is too late so this historic bar can be saved.
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