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Planning and Design Models Discussion Thread

All comments about this section in here folks.  
HollowHorn

I was looking at this photo & thinking how nice it would have been if the idea had ever got off the paper:


Then I stumbled across this on the 'Glasgow 1980' video:


Shame the idea never caught on. There used to be a pub on the walkway too, I was in it a couple of times, anyone remember what it was called? Anyone have any pics of it?
neilmc

Hollowhorn: The pub was called the Coconut Grove, at least for part of it's existence.

James: re. "Unknown - possibly Springburn Balgrayhill. Can someone confirm?" . This looks like the Bluevale & Whitevale tower blocks, between Duke Street & Gallowgate.

Edit: it would help if I put the relevant photos in:-


Hugo Drax

Here they are photographed by me from Duke Street in 1991 which is pretty much the same time as Andrew Charles Paul.

James

neilmc wrote:
Hollowhorn: The pub was called the Coconut Grove, at least for part of it's existence.

James: re. "Unknown - possibly Springburn Balgrayhill. Can someone confirm?" . This looks like the Bluevale & Whitevale tower blocks, between Duke Street & Gallowgate.

Edit: it would help if I put the relevant photos in:-



The first picture is definitely the Bluevale & Whitevale tower blocks, but the model
picture looks to me like the Balgrayhill scheme. The road at the bottom is Springburn
Road and the maisonettes are between the two towers and the main road. The
road at the far right is Hawthorn Street.  



James H
UG_admin

HollowHorn wrote:
I was looking at this photo & thinking how nice it would have been if the idea had ever got off the paper:


Then I stumbled across this on the 'Glasgow 1980' video:


Shame the idea never caught on. There used to be a pub on the walkway too, I was in it a couple of times, anyone remember what it was called? Anyone have any pics of it?


I can remember going to see some bands there in the 80's. I'm pretty sure H20 (remember them) played there in some sponsored gig to take our minds off being unemployed.

HH the place was Called Trading Post.
neilmc

You're right of course, James, although the tower blocks they built in Balgrayhill (four in total?) were a bit different in design from those shown on the model, which I'm sure represent the design used for the Bluevale/Whitevale blocks.
LowLight

My brother worked in the Trading Post or was it my sister?

Anyway they both worked in Panama Jacks, Trading Post and Pier 39 late 80's early 90's.

Having a good time looking through the collection. Hopefully I'll have a relevant comment next time I pop in.
James

neilmc wrote:
You're right of course, James, although the tower blocks they built in Balgrayhill (four in total?) were a bit different in design from those shown on the model, which I'm sure represent the design used for the Bluevale/Whitevale blocks.

Yes, there are four not two towers at Balgrayhill but no doubt the model was
a first draft plan for the area. Compare:








James H
neilmc

Ah, there's no doubt about it now James: the other two tower blocks are outwith the extent of the model  
John



Interesting to see the original slip road from Paisley Road to the Kingston Bridge in middle right of pic
escotregen

Lowlight, a pal of mine in the late 80s worked in the nearby Right Half (run by seriously serious people   ). Occasionally, at the end of his Saturday morning early shift we would resort to the Trading Post; in the middle of which of course there was an real actual lamppost. On these mornings there was a proper amateur singers session always running. This was in the fair days before kareoke wrecked all that.

In amongst the dingy interior an ‘awfully refined lady’ would get up an give a rendition of a holy song like the Lord is My Shepherd. The general hubbub would lower to a quieter level (albeit nothing like silence). Then after she did her single song dint, the full racket resumed.

As a manky, Saturday morning pished  drinker turned and said to me and my pal one day – “she’s f*****g great, pure holy man an everthin”. As Tom Shields would have wrote; "we know what he meant.”
James

Scary wrote:


Interesting to see the original slip road from Paisley Road to the Kingston Bridge in middle right of pic

Aye. It wasn't actually built like that was it? I think it's an exit not an entrance?  



James H
Stuball

An onramp from PRW would actually be quite good.... would save having to drive away round taking left after right after left etc
John

Quote:
James wrote:Aye. It wasn't actually built like that was it? I think it's an exit not an entrance?


My memory of it is vague, but I remember a junction of sorts at Weir St roughly where the off ramp is at Harry Ramsdens.
James

Scary wrote:
Quote:
James wrote:Aye. It wasn't actually built like that was it? I think it's an exit not an entrance?


My memory of it is vague, but I remember a junction of sorts at Weir St roughly where the off ramp is at Harry Ramsdens.

That's the one. It was built as an off ramp not an on ramp.




James H
John

I`m not convinced with that James. I used to play on the bridge on my Bogie during construction and have a vague memory of coming down Weir St with the tenements still there on my right, it`s possible that I came off the end of the bridge and turned into Weir St, but i`m not sure (long time ago   ). The white coloured ground behind the Travel Lodge is what remains of Houston St.
I need to dig out some old pics to see now
Alex Glass

It will be interesting to see this when the new section of the M74 links up.
John

I think it will be a massive headache, all sorts of hold ups and traffic tailbacks. I`m not looking forward to it at all  
Alex Glass

Hopefully they will be able to limit any disruption to the bare minimum

It will hopefully all be worth it in the end.
John

I hope so too Alex, I just don`t see the benefit of this link up. IMO It will only bring more traffic into an already congested area, we will see  
Alex Glass

I hope you are wrong Scary as it is intended to cut the amount of traffic having to go over the Kingston Bridge. But I suppose that when they first build the M8 they didn't think the volume of traffic would have been so great so we will have to wait and see.
John

Found this on another site (posted by Hollowhorn)



This is the Paisley Rd on ramp to Kingston Bridge that I remember from right to left across the pic sweeping up towards Paisley Rd
Weir St is the road running middle / left to top and Houston St is left to right in middle in front of the remaining tenements (Where Harry Ramsdens and Travelodge are now) with Houston Place on the middle right.
All the tenements still visible there on Paisley Rd including the Moy Bar ( probably in the middle of that pic) where I had a few underage bevvy sessions in the Snug Bar
At a guess that pic was taken around 1972/73 as the Moy Bar was virtually isolated when I was in there in 77.
Alex Glass

I see Houston Street is all white as you highlighted in another post Scary. Why is it white and what is the white stuff?
John

I have no memory of Houston St being white Alex, I`m sure it was mostly cobbled. I see Weir St is showing up white too, maybe the bridge contractors concreted the roads for construction traffic ?
me

ye thats definately balgray hill mate
caledoniangeezer

HollowHorn wrote:
I was looking at this photo & thinking how nice it would have been if the idea had ever got off the paper:


Then I stumbled across this on the 'Glasgow 1980' video:


Shame the idea never caught on. There used to be a pub on the walkway too, I was in it a couple of times, anyone remember what it was called? Anyone have any pics of it?



In 1976, I think the Pub was called Waves, at least that's what The letters seem to spell. That was the first time I saw outside seating in a Pub in the middle of Glasgow
HollowHorn

Yikes! That's the very one.    Got any more from the same era?
caledoniangeezer



This was taken the same day, in June 1976. Now I'm trying to remember when the Carrick had it's mishap.



A fairly mundane view of Buchanan St but it still looked good in summer.


Re: the Clyde walkway, I used to spend my lunch hours watching the various bands performing, I think during 78-79, beneath the Suspension Bridge.
Stuball

caledoniangeezer wrote:
Now I'm trying to remember when the Carrick had it's mishap.


Which one? It had a few....
caledoniangeezer

The time it capsized after that storm, it lay for months on it's side. Then of course it was moored further up the Clyde. As it's the only one I know of, what others befell it?
Stuball

It sank a few times..... they also filled it with concrete to try stop it sinking! (the idea was that it would seal the holes and stop water coming in but no, it just sank it)
sputnik

that photo of waves pub shows my place of work in the background in the late seventies.the north british electrical and cycle co ltd,200 clyde st,gone now but great to see it again as i really enjoyed working there.
escotregen

If I'm talking about the very same HMS Carrick, it's sad latter history continues. Known previously as the City of Adelaide, there is another brave effort to achieve the seemingly impossible aqnd have her rescued and restored; see City of Adelaide website:

http://www.cityofadelaide.co.uk/i...?Itemid=54&option=com_content
streapadair

Stuball wrote:
caledoniangeezer wrote:
Now I'm trying to remember when the Carrick had it's mishap.


Which one? It had a few....


This one?



I haven't got a date for this shot at the moment, may be able to dig one up. It was between 1977 and 79 though.   I used to know why she keeled over, but not now. I've got a feeling it wasn't something as simple as a storm though, more to do with the tide and the way she was moored being a bit cackhanded. I've got a cousin who's ex-Merchant Navy, he tends to know about this sort of thing, I'll ask him. Failing that, the Herald microfiches in the Mitchell will tell all.
caledoniangeezer

Yep, that's the one. I remember it lay in that position for some months but I always thought it was as a result of a storm, so maybe I was wrong.
Stuball

Thats a bit before my lifetime... but I do remember it still being moored there when I moved to Glasgow and then reading about how it sank over night at least twice
falseface

I was always amazed at the figure head
trolleybus

james73 wrote:
neilmc wrote:
Hollowhorn: The pub was called the Coconut Grove, at least for part of it's existence.

James: re. "Unknown - possibly Springburn Balgrayhill. Can someone confirm?" . This looks like the Bluevale & Whitevale tower blocks, between Duke Street & Gallowgate.

Edit: it would help if I put the relevant photos in:-



The first picture is definitely the Bluevale & Whitevale tower blocks, but the model
picture looks to me like the Balgrayhill scheme. The road at the bottom is Springburn
Road and the maisonettes are between the two towers and the main road. The
road at the far right is Hawthorn Street.  



James H


Heard some nutter drove along the quarter of a mile connecting corridor ot them maisonettes on a motorbike in 1974.

Saltmarketeer

me wrote:
ye thats definately balgray hill mate


They've only included the Viewpoint Flats, though. I wonder if the Balgrayhill ones (on Springburn Park side of the road) were an afterthought.



Cracking photos James. I love those models. Weird to see places you take for granted actually modelled as a future build.
John

Scary wrote:
Found this on another site (posted by Hollowhorn)



This is the Paisley Rd on ramp to Kingston Bridge that I remember from right to left across the pic sweeping up towards Paisley Rd
Weir St is the road running middle / left to top and Houston St is left to right in middle in front of the remaining tenements (Where Harry Ramsdens and Travelodge are now) with Houston Place on the middle right.
All the tenements still visible there on Paisley Rd including the Moy Bar ( probably in the middle of that pic) where I had a few underage bevvy sessions in the Snug Bar
At a guess that pic was taken around 1972/73 as the Moy Bar was virtually isolated when I was in there in 77.


Bigger version of HH`s pic posted by Mustang of the P.R.W. On-Ramp just to clarify matters in the name of historic reference.
Kingston Bridge (1970)
hazy

XLNT photies people. I remember seeing a road plan of Anniesland cross from the late 70s early 80s with a proposed roudabout and underpass to allow constant traffic flow on the 82.
     I also remember ( what a feckin memory ah huv ) seeing a road plan that cut through the Drumchapel from Drumry Road through the woods between Southdeen  and Glenkirk , across Kinfauns and then up to Bearsden at Pendicle. This was in the mid 70s.
fatweegee

HollowHorn wrote:
I was looking at this photo & thinking how nice it would have been if the idea had ever got off the paper:


Then I stumbled across this on the 'Glasgow 1980' video:


Shame the idea never caught on. There used to be a pub on the walkway too, I was in it a couple of times, anyone remember what it was called? Anyone have any pics of it?


Wasn't there a pub built there for the Year of Culture, roughly above Panama Jax, called something like Pier 90? While on the subject anyone else remember the best bit of Panama Jax being down the hidden tunnel to the smaller club room that played Indie and Scottish bands music, which during the late '80's early '90's was one of the few places you could get away from the smiley face dance lot.
fatweegee

streapadair wrote:
Stuball wrote:
caledoniangeezer wrote:
Now I'm trying to remember when the Carrick had it's mishap.


Which one? It had a few....


This one?



I haven't got a date for this shot at the moment, may be able to dig one up. It was between 1977 and 79 though.   I used to know why she keeled over, but not now. I've got a feeling it wasn't something as simple as a storm though, more to do with the tide and the way she was moored being a bit cackhanded. I've got a cousin who's ex-Merchant Navy, he tends to know about this sort of thing, I'll ask him. Failing that, the Herald microfiches in the Mitchell will tell all.


I'm convinced this was actually into the '80's. At least the final time it keeled over was as the council and all the high heidins worried about it for some time before moving to the canting basin in Govan before it was finally towed doon the watter to rot in Irvine.
Joe the Tug

When she went down it was 1978 We stored a lot of the RNVR club salvage in the cellars of our pub the Wee Manns Bar.There was two events within hours that lead to her sinking that night/day.First her deck was caught under the wharf on a rising tide and Carrick is partially flooded. Also a tree trunk was lodged below her hull, come the low tide it pierced the hull leading to her further flooding and sinking.


Joe the Tug

Carrick Clip

I did come across this clip of the Carrick on the move.


who's the daddy

hazy wrote:
XLNT photies people. I remember seeing a road plan of Anniesland cross from the late 70s early 80s with a proposed roudabout and underpass to allow constant traffic flow on the 82.
     I also remember ( what a feckin memory ah huv ) seeing a road plan that cut through the Drumchapel from Drumry Road through the woods between Southdeen  and Glenkirk , across Kinfauns and then up to Bearsden at Pendicle. This was in the mid 70s.


That was to be the Maryhill/Lomond Motorway.  Was due to start at Canniesburn Toll and go through the gap between Southdeen and Glenkirk and then go between Heathcot and Beattie's biscuit factory joining up with Great Western Road.  Would have fecked up my supply of broken biscuits!!
norrie

Hi joe the tug, when did the Wee mans become The Clutha, thats the name I have always known that pub by

Bye for now, norrie
Strachan

Glasgow Inner Ring Road

Came across a series of very interesting images whilst researching for a dissertation. They are all from the "Report on a Highway Plan for Glasgow".

Frightening how accurate some of the proposed images ended up in reality and also how frightening it would have been had the whole Inner Ring Road been completed.

The sketches posted after the second showing the Mitchell Library were not constructed as is shown, but the ideas were reincarnated elsewhere around Glasgow. All very generic.

If anyone has any information related to the Inner Ring Road and regeneration of Glasgow related to the Inner Ring Road then please get in contact with me. Photos, newspaper articles, books, websites...ANYTHING and EVERYTHING is appreciated as help towards my research.

Hope everyone can enjoy these sketches and if anyone has pictures of what these places turned out to look like in real life, please post them for comparison!


Lines Of Desire

Proposed Townhead Interchange

Carnoustie Street Bridge (Kingston bridge)

Highway Past the Mitchell Library

Highway Past The Mitchell Library 2

Elevated Motorway

Expressway: Laurieston & Gorbals

Parking Area

Pedestrian Area: Townhead Interchange

Pedestrian Route: Laurieston & Gorbals

Pedestrian Walk: Townhead Interchange

Townhead Interchange Structure

Typical Underpass

Underpass Enterance
norrie

Hi strachan, thanks goodness they didnt get what they wanted, how much of Glasgow would have been left.
Underpasses?? well we know how dangerous they can be at times
Why not try The Planning Dept for information

Bye for now, norrie

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