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kev

Some more last days of the Gorbals

Gorbals cross area around 1975









Becky

The one with the lady seems particularly poignant. I somehow imagine she's looking at her old tenement at the same time as she is looking at the new tower block and perhaps feeling a mixture of emotions.

I've only ever visited towers, but I have lived in a tenement. I know which I would choose.

Peace.
norrie

Hi kev9, the first photo is of a back court in Sandyfauld st.

Bye for now, norrie
James





James H
rotten milk

what a great photo!

here comes the future
norrie

Hi james73 great photo of the building of Queen Elizabeth High rise plus the old buildings in Lawmoor st, Mathieson st and Cumberland st.
Bye for now, norrie
Marti

Classic shot...  Also, can't help but wonder what todays bin men would think of empyting those in the pic...
Margaret

Coburg Street

I'm looking for a photograph of the east side of Coburg Street (odd numbers) Where the social work building is now.
Norrie is usually good at finding photos of the Gorbals.
I would be really obliged if anyone has such a photo as I would like to make it into a calendar
norrie

Hi margaret, I will see what I have.
Do I know you from PALS?

Bye for now, norrie
norrie

Hi margaret, all the Coburg st photos I have are at corners, however I have one that I dont know where in Coburg st it is.
Pm me with your email address and I will send it to you
I do have some on the corner of Coburg st and Oxford st, if that will do instead.

Bye for now, norrie
cybers

james73 wrote:




James H


Sums it all up nicely James...
Yon lucky midges and the drive for progress where the caretaker was the only one who got the luckies.
norrie

Hi cybers, I worked as a Concierge in Gorbals, even we were beaten to the luckies by the punters
Having said that we did pick up pefectly good fridge freezers for our office now and then, if your not fast you are last
How I remember luck didgies when I was a boy in Springburn.
Funny how we never caught any life threatning diseases.
Bye for now ,norrie
cybers

Norrie i think the reason we never caught anything is because we were never obsessed with hygiene on the sort of levels we have today. That and an overdose of playing outside.

How many of us when the summer hols came as soon as we were awake were pulling at the door wanting out rain hail or shine and ya big beauty if it was a violent thunderstorm hiding in the close watching the lightning.

We played all day hide and seek, lucky middens,Kick the Kan, football.
Sweets were dropped with the god kissed it devil missed it rhyme and we went home for our bath...and schools had pink carbolic soap and the nit nurse (Bitch)

Now Tarquin and little Kylie are sprayed with Dettol washed with scented liquid soaps bathed before leaving the house and bathed upon return no outside playing in the fresh air and off school sick all the time.

Who suffered .. us or them ?
Alex Glass

Ah! The memories Cybers.

It was great growing up in Glasgow and full of adventures.

Living in Cowcaddens during the slum clearances we had lots of empty houses to explore and see if anyone had left anything valuable behind when they moved to their new homes out in the peripheral estates. When we moved there was always the seasonal adventures which took place at the same time every year.
cybers

Think the reasons we have the memories Alex is we never had all these consoles... 20 years from now there will be entire forums devoted to consoles as the people on them will have no clue about who they are offline never mind anything about where they live.

Back in the 70's 80's who ever got a ball for birthdays xmas or just for bieng good was king of the street and most of the street got a game .... Pals on one side usually sworn enemies on the other and we all played from dawn to dusk .... the famous 10-21er

Our's were played at a neutral ground for a Barrowfield kid... Vinegarhill . Ruts and water drainage troughs an all...
Everyone wanted to be Pele or Souness or the most famous jag Alan Rough and hard stars of the day not like these pampered so called heroes of today.

Happy days  
norrie

Hi alex, I was just thinking of Cowcaddens the other night, its been more or less wiped off the map and partly rebuilt, where are all the photographs of Cowcaddens st, Lyon st, Raglan st and so on.
Come on, look under your grannies bed, in the biscuit tin
Bye for now, norrie
sputnik

cybers,talking about someone on the street having a football.do you recall every now and then the ball would be egg shaped after lying near a coal fire in the house.you still used it as it was better than no ball.
Alex Glass

   

Spot on Sputnik

Remember them days well. It also happened if you sat on it for too long.

Norrie

I have posted a couple of family photos before. There would have been more but as they were family photos I didn't want to get into trouble from my big brothers and sisters.
John

Brilliant memories there guys
Another memory is when we would heat a knife on the gas cooker to mould a burst ba` then get pelters for stinking the house out
Alex Glass

   

So true Scary

Better get back on topic


Hutchesontown about 1970

cybers

Remember all those memories... egg shaped ball from sitting on the bugger at half time too...

I still feel the pain of getting skelped full ding with a posh Mitre 5...
It was travelling with a fair bit of spin on it and was about 1 hour old
(Roberts Stores Trongate THNX)

It removed most of my nose and i dont mean skin... I mean those little dimply bits tore my nose off my face, stitches either side  

but the worst part was getting the red ash picked out and nose washed with the purple liquid
AAAAAARGH !!!
norrie

Hi alex, big changes around that area in Hutchesontown, I certainly didnt see any underpass going under Ballater st.
I worked in Gorbals from 1994 , never heard anyone talking about it.

I was thinking more of street photos , not family ones but the trouble is nobody took photos of the street unless their family were in them.
Maybe someday a new membrr will come on the board and have loads of photos  to share.
Bye for now, norrie
cybers

I remember the underpass !!!
spoke to a mate on the phone and he sent me yon details

http://www.mckean-group.co.uk/product.php?product_id=54
Doorstop

cybers wrote:
and schools had pink carbolic soap


I still use carbolic. Buy it on the internet in bulk. There's nothing like it for leaving you feeling clean.

Incidentally, I completely agree with every sentiment about the over hygienisation of todays kids. I've eaten things that were still alive as a kid with ne'ery a rumble from either my digestive or immune systems .. dirt's healthy for kids - as long as they get home and get scrubbed by a mum or dad smiling and shaking their head then it never does any lasting harm and sets them up to get out and about the following day to start the process all over again.

And Cybers, Alex etc - thanks for the comments v.v.the egg shaped ball - gave me a right laugh remembering that.

'Windblowers' too, remember them? Cheap footballs that were blown 180 off course by as much as a gentle breeze and had a trajectory you had to use chaos theory to  estimate.

Oh and the joy of attaining the heady heights of a nice shiny new bladder or Mitre 5 - unless of course it was mid Novemebr on the school pitch and it had just impacted a blue thigh at mach 4 making a smacking noise so loud that it was only just drowned out by the high pitched scream emanating from the poor bugger it hit.  
norrie

Hi cybers, thanks for that, so it was still there while I worked in Gorbals
I wonder if they filled it in because they knew that area was going to be redeveloped.
The other end must have opened into the Waddell Court area.
Bye for now, norrie
cybers

this need to carry on in things ya dont see in glasgow.
My sides hurt DS

Norrie it seems there might be photo's of the civil work getting carried out in some library but he is unsure if its Govanhill or Ruglen that they went to.

These Clerk o Works boys just dont know there arse from ther elbys
norrie

Hi cybers, its Ok, nice to have found a photo of Gorbals that I havent seen
Anybody got any photos of Hayfield st, Salisbury St or Hallside st?

Bye for now, norrie
Alex Glass

What about concussion from an over inflated bladder of a sore head from heading the lases. Moldmasters were a bugger for giving you a dimpled mark on any bare part of your body it hit. Gone are the days of 21 a side or a 10-21er. Games that went on most of the day. From the team selection to the final goal I remember a game that had to stop for half time after three hours for everyone to go for something to eat. A piece and jam and a glass of milk and back on the spare ground for the kick-off for the second half. It finally finished at 5.00 on a promise that it should be the same teams the next day for a return match.

Or the match that finished before any team could score 21 goals because the guy who's ball it was had to go for his dinner and wouldn't leave his new ball.
sputnik

i dont think a guy with one ball would be held in such high esteem today.especially if it was egg shaped.
James

WRT getting a Mitre 5 square in the coupon - I can still hear that metallic ping
it made as it sent you hurtling towards unconsciousness...



James H
Jock58

Alex Glass wrote:
What about concussion from an over inflated bladder of a sore head from heading the lases. Moldmasters were a bugger for giving you a dimpled mark on any bare part of your body it hit.


I remember our school (Nitshill primary) got a batch of those mould master balls. One day I got one full in the face. Its the only time i can remember actually seeing stars like in the cartoons, the only other thing i can remember are the howls of laughter from my fellow players as i lay flat out on the ground.

Jock58
cybers

Was in the Gorbals today and got talking to a wee old guy lurking in the Necropolis with a wee compact...
Bloody lurker in here MALKY  
Anyway we got to talking about various things and this site came up and he basically quoted this entire thread to me including this mornings postings.

He was fair amazed to learn it was me that had my nose off tried to entice him out of the shadows and sign in proper but he was a shy one.
Said when his photography gets better he will sign up till then quite content to just read.
Thing is some of the stuff he was relating goes back a billion years.... And if you are reading this i meant that in the kindest possible terms.

Personally hope he does not wait till the photography improves as i am sure we can help him with that if he would care to fill in some of the blanks we have.
norrie

Hi cybers, sign him up, bet he has a biscuit tin under the bed

Bye for now, norrie
kev

How good was the light today...







Stuball

Underpass under Ballater Street.... why can I remember that? Not that I ever went through it but I seem to have a vague image of the entrance fencing
norrie

Hi kev, second photo, is that Norfolk Court?
Good photos

Bye for now, norrie
cybers

Doog Doog

good stuff,guys.
kev

norrie wrote:
Hi kev, second photo, is that Norfolk Court?
Good photos

Bye for now, norrie


Is indeed Norrie..took a load of stuff in the Gorbals yesterday.The colour of the light was amazing..would like to get inside the high rises to shoot some stuff before they end up like Fountainwell..might try next weekend
norrie

Hi kev, what do you want to do inside the flats?
Its not just a matter of turning up unless of course you know any one in the building.
Bye for now, norrie
joyce

Brill pics here well done!  
Alex Glass

cybers wrote:
Was in the Gorbals today and got talking to a wee old guy lurking in the Necropolis with a wee compact...
Bloody lurker in here MALKY
Anyway we got to talking about various things and this site came up and he basically quoted this entire thread to me including this mornings postings.

He was fair amazed to learn it was me that had my nose off tried to entice him out of the shadows and sign in proper but he was a shy one.
Said when his photography gets better he will sign up till then quite content to just read.
Thing is some of the stuff he was relating goes back a billion years.... And if you are reading this i meant that in the kindest possible terms.

Personally hope he does not wait till the photography improves as i am sure we can help him with that if he would care to fill in some of the blanks we have.


I hope the guy you were talking to does sign up Cybers. Maybe a thread on the main board would get him involved. I have a video done by a heritage group a couple of years back and another which has a section featuring a guy called Willie Sharkey who is still living in the Gorbals and involved in the New Gorbals Housing Association. The video show Willie being moved from is old flat round about 1983.

Sure a new thread would get lots of interest as the Gorbals is one of those areas which lots of people are associated to.

Nearly forgot

Kev

Not sure if the flats are New Gorbals Housing Association ot the GHA but if you need permission to get in to take photos I may be able to help.
norrie

Hi alex, that video sounds interesting, is it too big to be posted on here?
As you may have noticed ,I am right into Gorbals
Bye for now, norrie
Alex Glass

Norrie it is about an hour long and has a few photos and modern video with a guy called Peter Savage narrating.

I know I don't exactly have a good track record in sending stuff to you but will make up a disc and hopefully get it to you before the end of the year.
norrie

Hi Alex, I have met Peter,he worked from an office in Norfolk Court a long time ago ,I got him a lot of the photos of Gorbals, from the planning dept, some day I will post them on here.
Thanks in anticipation, anything from Gorbals I will collect, I just wish that other areas had been so well photographed

Bye for now, norrie
Alex Glass

If you need a had scanning them Norrie I am sure other people on hear would be happy to help.
kev

Cheers Alex...will take you up on that if no joy this weekend









Alex Glass

Just contact me Kev and I will make contact with someone who should be able to help.
norrie

Hi alex, thanks for the offer but they are all on my pc, just a matter of putting them into photobucket, I dare say that a lot of them are already on photobucket and Pals, might be able  to copy them from there, a lot easier thats for sure.
The quality is not as good as Strepadairs but its a record of all that was demolished in Gorbals, a few streets are missing.
It wont be done this year, I am trying to finish photographing the Tenements in Glasgow, finished Anniesland and Temple on Monday.
I hope to get on with Shettleston next week  and finish that area.
Only a wee bit of Park Circus and Ballieston after that a dawdle.
No doubt it will take me a long time to post all the photos.

Bye for now, norrie
Alex Glass

When  did you start this project Norrie?

It will be good to see the results of all your hard work
norrie

Hi alex, well I have been taking photos of Glasgow for years B&W, say  early 90s but it was 35 mm so there are not as many.
I got digital 2003? 4? and I just took off from there but have gathered momentum over the past three years or so since I retired early.
I have walked all of Glasgow streets that have tenements in them, I dont think I have missed any, I hope.
They will end up on here, I have had so many photos from you from Glasgows past I want to return the favour.
The old Gorbals photos I didnt take but I have many photos from the tops of the high rises  showing Gorbals as it is.
I am, adding photos now and then as buildings are finished, I was hoping that Gorbals and Oatlands would be finished soon, this credit crunch has slowed building down
Bye for now, norrie
cybers

Norrie
When i was in Oatlands at the weekend i was amazed how little forward the building work had actually gone.
Whilst the new road forges ahead at quite a lick the surrounding stuff seems to have stopped.
It would be nice to see what you have to offer as i firmly believe any record is better than no record.
Though i get a feeling you might actually be a little like me and have a shallow belief in your own ability.
norrie

Hi cybers ,this credit crunch has stopped all of the private building in Oatlands, some New Gorbals H.A and GHA work is being done.
I must admit in the past I have had the attitude about my stuff " it may be crap but its mine"
Now I am Ok with it, dare say it is not technically correct at times but what I want to do is leave a record of the Tenements in Glasgow to be enjoyed for years to come, that way we wont need to wait for stuff to be found in a biscuit tin.
I have not opened Photobucket to anyone and the photos will be  going on only a few sites.
Perhaps when I finish I may open photobucket.
Thanks for your interest, if you are all only half as pleased with my suff as your were with Strepadairs, then that will do for me.

Bye for now, norrie
kev

Norrie...Have you taken any photos of the back of the tenements you were shooting...you can get some interesting results..a new project perhaps once you,ve finished this one...check pic on PM
norrie

Hi Kev, I have done the odd one but most of the closes are locked.
Now thats a project one of you can do, follow in my footsteps but go around the back

Bye for now, norrie
cybers

Canny help but notice when you speak of this project Norrie you speak as though getting ready to shuffle off this mortal coil.
I met you at that night oot and whilst the body work might have been a little rusty and tatty the engine seemed solid...
Same story for some of us  
norrie

Hi Cybers, I didnt mean to give the impression I was on the way out, only the good die young
I will tell you this, I am 65 in June and if I pop my clogs before I get the state pension I will be really hacked off

Bye for now, norrie
kev

norrie wrote:
Hi Cybers, I didnt mean to give the impression I was on the way out, only the good die young
I will tell you this, I am 65 in June and if I pop my clogs before I get the state pension I will be really hacked off

Bye for now, norrie

Your only a boy
cybers

Norrie i get the impression you are going to be more than a little hacked off when you get that pittence.


As Kev stated just a boy.... Though i would stay away from 22yr temptresses...
Nae legal needed but plenty of Lucozade
norrie

Hi Cybers, may be a pittance but its mine
I do have a private pension how do you think I have lived for three years

Bye for now, norrie
Doorstop

Man of means eh?

Any chance of a sub?  
norrie

Hi doorstop, grade 4 , Strathclyde pension fund, ?? two chances slim and none

Bye for now, norrie
cybers

Aye the typical glaswegian humour...
Never a down side and tighter than 2 coats a paint  
stairheedramy

Ballater St underpass

I thought it was still there- it was when I lived there in the 70s and 80s.  I remember some local characters started a small fire in the tunnel and added some detonators procured from the Polmadie railway.  The explosions made it sound like the Somme, or the East end on a Friday night
norrie

Hi Stairheidrammy, that underpass was filled in years ago, I am sure there are photos on this thread
I worked in Gorbals till 2006 and never realised the underpass existed
stairheedramy

Underpass

Thanks for that Norrie, I suppose its no surprise that they filled it in, even as one of the locals you always felt a bit wary of going through it on your own, and Ballater st wasn't that difficult to negotiate.  We used to play football in the square at the other side and it was a real pisser when the ball kept rolling down the slope and in to the tunnell.  I also remember two local gangsters having a scrap around there, one took a gun off another and chased him up the street, or so the legend has it
johnny

Re: Underpass

stairheedramy wrote:
Thanks for that Norrie, I suppose its no surprise that they filled it in, even as one of the locals you always felt a bit wary of going through it on your own, and Ballater st wasn't that difficult to negotiate. We used to play football in the square at the other side and it was a real pisser when the ball kept rolling down the slope and in to the tunnell. I also remember two local gangsters having a scrap around there, one took a gun off another and chased him up the street, or so the legend has it



As kids,we used to slide down it in the Winter,brilliant it was.
Stevie

Alex Glass wrote:


Hutchesontown about 1970



This photo brings back so many memories  

My mums family came from the Gorbals & my Gran + my 2 uncles & aunts stayed in the Queen Elizabeth flats,
3 bed flat on the 1st floor in B block from new to the early 70's, then they got a swap to another 3 bed flat on the
5th floor for a few years before finally moving to a 2 bed flat on the 8th floor in A block at the SE end of the
flats looking up Old Rutherglen rd.

I was quite young when they stayed in the 1st floor (b.1971) but i do vaguely remember my younger cousin
Alan stayed there with my aunt & he had a rabbit kept in a hutch out on the shared verandah & to my shame,
I threw the rabbit over the balcony as i thought it could fly cause it had big ears not once but twice  

Don't remember the 5th floor much but i do remember staying in the 8th floor, as it was at the end,
the wind outside could be treacherous, also remember my 2 uncles who were 12 yrs older than me in their early acid
taking days & one of them happened to be an apprentice painter for the council & had access to free paint    

the walls were painted white & one wall had a pink floyd the wall album cover mural painted on it,
the ceiling was painted black & had planets, stars & spaceships painted on it    think they liked their acid  

I remember being able to get access to the roof of B & A blocks, ah the fun i used to have up there before
the doors had locks put on,  the flats didn't have a pitched roof in those days, just flat concrete with a 4ft parapet,
thank god as the wind could be murder, though it was helpful if you were throwing large water ballons over the side  

then my gran moved to a 2 bed flat on the 2nd floor in Commercial court in the early 80's to the early 90's
when she moved up to Dennistoun. cant remember the Block No but its just out of shot to the left in the photo.

as for the underpass on Ballatar st, i remember it well, it had concrete ramps on both sides & had tiled walls
covered with graffiti   , the south side end ramp was was also higher up as it was at ground level & the river side
was about 10ft lower as it brought you into the shopping area in Waddell court, think there was a newsagents/offsales.

I also remember going through the underpass on my chopper in the late 70's & you could get up a fair bit of speed
but you had to watch in case you ran into someone or you got a puncture from all the broken glass as it was used
as a drinking haunt some times with the young team, also vaguely remember you used to get the odd
glue sniffer or 3 in their too, plastic bag & a half pot of evostick.
then most of the locals stopped using it as it was a lot faster & safer to walk across Ballatar st & it ended up
a bit of a dumping ground, then the drains must have been well blocked as i remember it had about 2ft of water
in it for a while before it was eventually filled in.  

the black walled enclosure on the right side of the pic was the council parks dept & the building you can just
see to the right of it was a big industrial unit, meat market one side, electricians & engineers on the other
& i think it there was a sewing company in the other.
Alex Glass

Thanks for sharing you memories Stevie

This is what makes this site so good. memories that can bring photos to life for us who don't really know what like it was living and growing up is a part of the city.

   
Stevie

Cheers Alex, i can add more if you like    

in the above pic, you can see the maisonettes to the left, just out of shot was a set of lock up garages
& a concrete play area for kids, there was a large curved wall in a sort of U shape & had big round
concrete blocks to jump about on.

the swing park on the right was the big swings, my uncles pal was pushing me on a swing in 1977
when he pushed too hard & the swing went vertical & i fell about 10/12ft on to the floor & lost a big tooth.

the bit just below it was the smaller kids swing park, i was in here in 1979 when some other guys
had a big fire going & were burning milk/bread crates & i bloody stood on melted plastic,
only ended up in the Royal with a big blister on my foot  
Stevie

heres some pics of the flats & surrounding area.

the verandah's
B Block looking south





the shopping arcade




QE flats

under B Block, the walls the rose garden & you can see the spire of Blackfriars church



swing park to the left, A & B Block















Stevie

some pics of the Hutchenson B area.

Waddell court shops 1964, the tunnel was just being built & was at the left side of the shops.



walkway from Commercial court to Ballater st



rowing boats for hire on the clyde across from the Hutcheson B area,
this must be where george partridge runs the humane society river rescue.



rowing boats up at the boat house near the weir.



arerial view of the Green & of the Hutcheson B area, notice the band stand next to the monument & the boats for hire.

also, thats some impressive buildings on the south side next to the St Andrew's bridge.

smb95

I took two pictures of the last Laurieston block whilst on my way to someone's birthday party today.  Had to be taken on the quick camera due to lack of time to go on to the normal camera application.  The photos are from my iPhone 4.

Capercaillie

Stevie wrote:
some pics of the Hutchenson B area.


also, thats some impressive buildings on the south side next to the St Andrew's bridge.



Anybody know what that was?

Edited to add: Think I found it... The UCWS bakery, demolished in 1973
Beano

U.C.B.S bakery I used to work in there, another building that should never have been demolished.
full name (United Co-operative Baking Society)
norrie

Hi smb95, Norfolk Court has a short time left, once the new houses are finished on the site of Stirlingfaulds HRF they will be emptied and demolished a year or so I reckon
The only HRF that will be left in Gorbals, will be the ones at Caledonia rd and Ballater st, they are the ones that have had money spent on them

Hi beano, yes the UCBS was some building but like many in Glasgow there was no plan to convert them to offices or housing at that time
Shame, what would Glasgow look like if all this type of building had been saved
cybers

The real travesty is we also lost that fantastic bandstand. Glasgow is a revolving modern city at one time the bakery was very modern for its time and was no doubt hated by people same as the new Steel Glass and polished alloys are today. Though the Bakery would have outlasted many of these modern eyesores by many decades.
sputnik

the ucbs had a big bakery in clydebank as well.it can be seen in the lost football grounds thread.
cybers

Interesting wee article in the Record.

Remembering the words and pictures that exposed Glasgow's slums in the 1940s

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news...es-exposed-glasgows-slums-1815740
norrie

Hi cybers, I read that article, you wonder how they came through it
smb95

One time when I was at the Mitchell Library when I was looking at the plans for the hooj flats in Laurieston I discovered that originally there was going to be six of them. The two unbuilt ones were to be built by the railway line nearer the river.
Marblez

smb95 wrote:
One time when I was at the Mitchell Library when I was looking at the plans for the hooj flats in Laurieston I discovered that originally there was going to be six of them. The two unbuilt ones were to be built by the railway line nearer the river.

Where exactly, where the court is, where the mosque is, where Carlton Court is, where the Procurator Fiscal's is ... could you clarify that a bit more
smb95

Marblez wrote:

Where exactly, where the court is, where the mosque is, where Carlton Court is, where the Procurator Fiscal's is ... could you clarify that a bit more

I never made note of the location when I was there.
Ruchazie Rat

cybers wrote:
Interesting wee article in the Record.

Remembering the words and pictures that exposed Glasgow's slums in the 1940s

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news...es-exposed-glasgows-slums-1815740


And here`s a nice little link you`ll find when you go there from just-another 10-a-penny politico opportunist bullsh*tter.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news...arwar-should-never-forget-1815791

Said bullsh*tter done a vanishing act at his surgery before Xmas when a group of constituents turned up looking for help with the Bedroom Tax.  And here`s a video report of the Great No-Show itself on Youtube.


Link


Which is why self-appointed Great Deliverers of Social Housing (who go on to let subsequent generations get evicted cos of Housing Benefit "reforms"), should sod off and leave it to people like us to reflect and reminisce on matters concerning our own cultural heritage and identity.

And not try and "groom" us with Selective Memory Syndrome.

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