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Gareth1974

The Great Salt and Sauce Debate

Ok ...  we all know the East Coast/West Coast thing going with 'salt and vinegar' and 'salt and sauce' respectively.

I was in a chip shop on High Street, waiting on my fish supper on Saturday', when a Teuchter (can I say that?) came in.  When he was getting his salt and vinegar he enquired, ' any sauce there like?' and the proprietor reached under the counter to bring out the red and brown sauce bottles.

Seems to me that, because the sauce was under the counter, it is regarded as some sordid practise here in Glasgow.  

As far as I'm concerned, a Weegie only puts sauce on his chips if he is either:

1. In a restaurant
2. At home

On both occassions you would probably eat it with a fork; salt and vinegar is for when you eat it with your fingers from the paper bag.

That's my position on the matter, I've dug myself into my foxhole and I'll defend it to the death.

Discuss and/or vote ....
cybers

Nothing really to discuss but Teuchter is more a derisory term for a hielan man than an east coast dweller.
Whilst Sauce Red or Brown (East) does seem more prevelant in the east it is used in the west also though usually tommata or broon (West) though the further west you go down past girvan and out to Portpatrick salt and sauce starts to become the norm again.

Looked into this thinking it might have been some sort of mad association from the Gold Star Pickle and Sauce Heritage from the Gallowgate but could find nothing other than an interesting piece written around the early 20th century about acetic acid or vinegar combating the effects of fatty foods.
Stuball

That sauce sh!t sticks to skin... god knows what they put in it
Gareth1974

Let's not forget mayonaisse on chips i.e. 'Pulp Fiction.'

A practise I often found myself undertaking whilst in Germany and one I find myself doing at home sometimes.  Usually mixed with tomato sauce as well.
cybers

The worst offender did seem to be the Gold Star Broon stuff to be honest ...
Many a drunk i witnessed licking a cuff or sleeve with a big wet Jolson paw in a poke a chips on Duke Street.

It used to dye everything too Especially trainers    
dmk

mayo & reggae reggae is a good combo
Gareth1974

Anyone else's Grandad or Granny solve 'the residual tomato sauce in the bottom of the glass bottle' quandry by the practical solution of diluting the remants with white vinegar?

Not an issue these days with the advent of plastic squeezy bottles although you can still buy the glass bottles.
Gareth1974

And the Weegies are winning!
James

I dont put salt on me food, so for that reason, Im out...



James H
Gareth1974

Well maybe you should vote for 'neither' James?

I also like my chips 'Crisp und leite brun ... no nasty soggy chips!
cybers

dmk wrote:
mayo & reggae reggae is a good combo


Sometimes have this when i take a mad urge to fire up the BBQ at 3 in the morning    Great on Cajun spiced chicken and flatbread with capsicum.

james73 wrote:
I dont put salt on me food, so for that reason, Im out...



James H


James I also use very little salt in food as most food now has more than enough in to kill you anyway. Even boiling pototoes without salt is now the norm here ...

Gareth perhaps you should look at one of the new Tefal Actifry fryers ... teaspoon of peanut oil and stunning crispy chips can be had.
"Other oils are available"
dmk

cybers wrote:
"Other oils are available"

pmsl
cybers

Steer clear of the Castrol 40 weight though  
Gareth1974

Weegie power ... go! go! go!
cybers

Gareth1974 wrote:
Weegie power ... go! go! go!


Not a dig but you do realise your celebrating a win on a Glasgow based forum ?

as Rab-C says
"Yi kin Travel the world but it ferr warms yir heart when yi find a bastard just as mad as yirsel"
Stuball

First time I heard 'Salt and sauce?' my reply was 'Salt and whit?'... the lass look visibly scared at the west coaster replying something other than aye or naw
cybers

   
Gareth1974

Stuball wrote:
First time I heard 'Salt and sauce?' my reply was 'Salt and whit?'... the lass look visibly scared at the west coaster replying something other than aye or naw


One of my friends, that I went to Queen's Park Secondary with, previously had lived in East Kilbride and he had a similar experience when he went into his local chippy in Govanhill and asked for a 'chip butty.'

The response was of course more of derision than fear; reciprocrated by his anger when they mocked his words (through repetition) and corrected him with, 'we caw it a roll n' chips here pal!'

Even a small distance shows-up differences in colloquialisms.
Jagz1876

Gareth1974 wrote:
Stuball wrote:
First time I heard 'Salt and sauce?' my reply was 'Salt and whit?'... the lass look visibly scared at the west coaster replying something other than aye or naw


One of my friends, that I went to Queen's Park Secondary with, previously had lived in East Kilbride and he had a similar experience when he went into his local chippy in Govanhill and asked for a 'chip butty.'

The response was of course more of derision than fear; reciprocrated by his anger when they mocked his words (through repetition) and corrected him with, 'we caw it a roll n' chips here pal!'

Even a small distance shows-up differences in colloquialisms.

The word Butty is not an East Kilbride Term, it's an Anglicization of the scots Piece, the first time i heard it being used was on holiday in Blackpool in 1974, i was asked by an English girl, "What's your favourite Butty?  Being an apprentice Glazier at the time i thought she had said putty, and i replied" linseed oil putty" i was quite impressed with her knowledge of putty until she explained  what a butty was. I steadfastly refuse to use the word when ordering a sandwich, along with the other popular English word for piece, and that is Sarnie, when i here this i cant help thinking of an old sweaty Sanny that we used to wear in the gym at school.
Fjord

Forget all that pish nonsense above, what you need on your chips is Cholula Hot Sauce Original.
Won't burn your ring too much the following day. Guaranteed! *caveat's apply
Gareth1974

Jagz1876 wrote:
Gareth1974 wrote:
Stuball wrote:
First time I heard 'Salt and sauce?' my reply was 'Salt and whit?'... the lass look visibly scared at the west coaster replying something other than aye or naw


One of my friends, that I went to Queen's Park Secondary with, previously had lived in East Kilbride and he had a similar experience when he went into his local chippy in Govanhill and asked for a 'chip butty.'

The response was of course more of derision than fear; reciprocrated by his anger when they mocked his words (through repetition) and corrected him with, 'we caw it a roll n' chips here pal!'

Even a small distance shows-up differences in colloquialisms.

The word Butty is not an East Kilbride Term, it's an Anglicization of the scots Piece, the first time i heard it being used was on holiday in Blackpool in 1974, i was asked by an English girl, "What's your favourite Butty?  Being an apprentice Glazier at the time i thought she had said putty, and i replied" linseed oil putty" i was quite impressed with her knowledge of putty until she explained  what a butty was. I steadfastly refuse to use the word when ordering a sandwich, along with the other popular English word for piece, and that is Sarnie, when i here this i cant help thinking of an old sweaty Sanny that we used to wear in the gym at school.


I always assumed that myself having learned it from English TV, books and comics, etc but for some reason they used that word out in EK. I've always seen a 'butty' as two pieces of bread (or one folder over) - same as a sandwich/piece - but never associated it with a roll.

Mystery to me as well
Gareth1974

Fjord wrote:
Forget all that pish nonsense above, what you need on your chips is Cholula Hot Sauce Original.
Won't burn your ring too much the following day. Guaranteed! *caveat's apply


There's a Coleman's Mustard Ketchup and some Lidl/Aldi variants)as well but when I put them on chips I always mix it with tomato sauce.

Need to remember a pickle, or two, as well; or 'Chip Onions' as it says on some of the jars.
Fireman

In the early 1970's I was sent to the Scottish Fire Service Traning School at Gullane and it was on that side of the country where I discovered 'salt & sauce'.

The food at the training centre was ok, but every so often a shout would go out later on in the evening that a car-load of guys were going to the mobile chippy in Aberlady. The deal was it was ok if you were the first car to arrive as you could get your fish supper almost immediately, but if you were in the third or fourth car then it was going to be a long wait! In the end up as the weeks went by the run became more like 'Death Race 2000', rather than just going for a bag of chips as half a dozen cars battled their way to Aberlady to be first.

This is when I was initiated into 'vinegary broon sauce and salt', and if I'm over in that end of the world nowadays I usually get that combination as it reminds me of 40 odd years ago and the crazy antics young Firemen got up to - even for a bag of chips!  
dmk

Fjord wrote:
Forget all that pish nonsense above, what you need on your chips is Cholula Hot Sauce Original.
Won't burn your ring too much the following day. Guaranteed! *caveat's apply


just reading that caused me pain
the warning should be at the start in huge bold lettering  
Gareth1974

Fireman wrote:
In the early 1970's I was sent to the Scottish Fire Service Traning School at Gullane and it was on that side of the country where I discovered 'salt & sauce'.

The food at the training centre was ok, but every so often a shout would go out later on in the evening that a car-load of guys were going to the mobile chippy in Aberlady. The deal was it was ok if you were the first car to arrive as you could get your fish supper almost immediately, but if you were in the third or fourth car then it was going to be a long wait! In the end up as the weeks went by the run became more like 'Death Race 2000', rather than just going for a bag of chips as half a dozen cars battled their way to Aberlady to be first.

This is when I was initiated into 'vinegary broon sauce and salt', and if I'm over in that end of the world nowadays I usually get that combination as it reminds me of 40 odd years ago and the crazy antics young Firemen got up to - even for a bag of chips!  


I'm sure you must have attended many a fire caused by chip pans; usually drunks leaving them on.

Reminds me of when we had a deep-fat fryer and mum used to sit in the living room screaming, ' THAT'S TOO HIGH! THAT'S TOO HIGH!' everytime we placed the basket in the hot oil and it would spit and hiss.  This would be worse if we used frozen chips - with a higher water content - and we tried explaining that to her.  We never ever let her cook when we had chips as she would put the fryer on the lowest setting and serve-up oil-sodden lumps because of this obsessive fear she had.

Mum would even shout it when we had a fryer with no thermostat; just an on/off switch.  

In the end we changed to using oven chips to avoid this argument.  Not really the same thing and even today I don't own a deep-fat fryer which is a shame because I'd love to make some tempura or katsu dishes.
sputnik

gareth,use a wok.you only need to fill it about a third with oil for perfect batter food.
sputnik

oh aye,and salt and sauce is just wrong likesy eh.
Gareth1974

sputnik wrote:
gareth,use a wok.you only need to fill it about a third with oil for perfect batter food.


Yeah I actually use a wok for everything: it's the most efficient utensil for cooking because it presents a large area to the heat surface.  They were actually designed for maximum efficiency.

I cook everything in my wok; even pasta sauce and so on.

I think what is need is another wok in that case so I can have two on the go.

I could start another debate: non-stick (teflon) or just season an iron one?
dmk

i drink vinegar
i have a jar of pickled onions in my locker
i'm salivating at the thought of them & when they're done i'll drink the vinegar .... no waste
yum yum
Gareth1974

My brothers used to work in the burger bar that sits on the site of the Toryglen ASDA and they would often get visits from the junkies asking them for the 'left-over vinegar from the pickles if they had any?'  

Apparently they wanted it to clean their needles.

Only problem was the place didn't do chips so no vinegar.

I also used to get confused when I watched westerns (or other TV from the USA) on TV and they kept referring to 'pickles' which resembled small cucumbers.  

They were of course pickled gherkins.
dmk

Gareth1974 wrote:

I could start another debate: non-stick (teflon) or just season an iron one?

oh boy i can't wait for that one to kick off  
Jagz1876

dmk wrote:
i drink vinegar
i have a jar of pickled onions in my locker
i'm salivating at the thought of them & when they're done i'll drink the vinegar .... no waste
yum yum

Now bearing in mind i'm not a Gynecologist.......... Are you sure you're not pregnant Donna
womble

Salt N vinegar and a pickle or two.


Donna, I used to drink the vinegar from jars of beetroot when a youngster (not so long ago)
dmk

Jagz1876 wrote:

Now bearing in mind i'm not a Gynecologist.......... Are you sure you're not pregnant Donna

no chance ..... unless it's another immaculate conception lol
i had a hysterectomy at the end of june so i think it's safe to say i'm not pregnant
pmsl
dmk

womble wrote:



Donna, I used to drink the vinegar from jars of beetroot when a youngster (not so long ago)


i do that too  
then i go pee & it's red & i get a fright    cos i've forgotton i've drank the beetroot vinegar lol
Fireman

Gareth1974 wrote:
Reminds me of when we had a deep-fat fryer .....................


I miss chips done in lard, they were so much more tastier and crisper, especially crinkle-cut chips covered in salt & vinegar and loads of tomato sauce than oven chips, but the other half won't allow me them 'cause they're not a healthy option.  

And yes, I was at more chip pan fires than you could shake a stick at ...... and more often than not it was yir proverbial wee man just back from the pub who fancied a chip piece but fell asleep waiting for the fat to melt.
UG_admin

There's a chippy in Kinross that does fusion quisine, and has sauce AND vinegar. Me personally, I'm a salt and mayo person like the foreigners in Europeland.
womble

Best chips came from the chippie van that came around the schemes. If I remember right Easterhouse was a Friday night. It was an ancient big yellow van if my memory is right.
Jagz1876

dmk wrote:
Jagz1876 wrote:

Now bearing in mind i'm not a Gynecologist.......... Are you sure you're not pregnant Donna

no chance ..... unless it's another immaculate conception lol
i had a hysterectomy at the end of june so i think it's safe to say i'm not pregnant
pmsl

Waaaaayyy too much information...... a simple no would have sufficed
dmk


sorry
it's no biggy to me
Doorstop

Nor me.
cybers

So then Donna does that mean your quite evenly balanced wae nae mad mental mood swings then seeing as how you had yir Hysterical oot ?
   
dmk

nope i'm still a mad mental old bat  
Jagz1876

dmk wrote:

sorry
it's no biggy to me

Me neither, i was only havin' a laugh.
dmk

ya rascal j1876

hey cybers the prob is i now have nothing to blame my irrational behaviour on these days  
Beano

dmk wrote:
ya rascal j1876

hey cybers the prob is i now have nothing to blame my irrational behaviour on these days  
Dinnae worry yer a wummin still canna work mine oot an ave been wi hur fur 40 years      
Doorstop

dmk

Beano wrote:
dmk wrote:
ya rascal j1876

hey cybers the prob is i now have nothing to blame my irrational behaviour on these days  
Dinnae worry yer a wummin still canna work mine oot an ave been wi hur fur 40 years      


you've almost made me feel sorry for my man (.... yea right )
he's only had to suffer me for 24 years
cybers

Problem is the instruction manual that came with the versions Courting 1.0 and winchin 2.5 urnae the same as when yi sign up for the professional version of merritt 3.2...
Nane of the functions yi knew before bastart work and the friendly interface is gone as well.
dmk

i wouldn't know about that ..... i'm not married
Beano

cybers wrote:
Problem is the instruction manual that came with the versions Courting 1.0 and winchin 2.5 urnae the same as when yi sign up for the professional version of merritt 3.2...
Nane of the functions yi knew before bastart work and the friendly interface is gone as well.
Cybers version wan hid pussy power included    
btw dinnae like mushy chips  
Jester

Gareth1974 wrote:
Let's not forget mayonaisse on chips i.e. 'Pulp Fiction.'

A practise I often found myself undertaking whilst in Germany and one I find myself doing at home sometimes.  Usually mixed with tomato sauce as well.


"Fritten bitte, nein mayo" was a well worn phrase for me

The east coast wins hands down, the right mix of broon sauce with vinegar can't be beat, especially on a steak pie.
Gareth1974

'Ich mochte gern das HuhnerFleisch Doner mit Pommes bitte ...  ja ja die Angebot'

Kebabs in Germany win hands-down over the stuff you get here anyday.
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