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LowLight

The Wee Burn Adventure

Up until about 6 months ago I never even knew this wee burn existed.

So what better to do than trace it for a couple of miles on Live Maps.

Any info on it and where it eventually ends would be helpful.

I just found more of it heading East, it just kind of disappears though.


Its travels take it through Glasgow Business Park, under Edinburgh Road and Garrowhill Train Station.



From Garrowhill to the backs of some house in between Blackcroft Rd & Rylands Drive.



Closer shot of those gardens



And its last know sighting is just off Sandyhills Rd



The search continues.
BenCooper

Oh, interesting - I'll get my waders...
LowLight

 Aye this is a job for you mate.

I see weans playing in it at Garrowhill and I've just always wondered where it starts and where it ends.

I'm still checking the maps.
BenCooper

I'm also hunting the St. Enoch Burn, but that seems to be no more...
Stuball

Ohhh, try Ochil Street and Tollcross Park :)
Stuball

BenCooper wrote:
I'm also hunting the St. Enoch Burn, but that seems to be no more...


Walk along the clyde at low tide and you'll see lots of metal gates on the river walls.... loads of them up at Pacific Quay including a really big one
Stuball

it seems to run underground between ochil st and tollcross park under 'Fairburn street'.... the clues in the name I reckon
LowLight

Stuball wrote:
Ohhh, try Ochil Street and Tollcross Park :)


I remember somebody mentioning Tollcross Park before. Away looking.
Stuball

Also check Sandyhills Golf course.... theres a burn running through the middle of it
LowLight

Just noticed that myself Stu. Thanks.
LowLight

Looks like it takes a sharp turn at the end of the golf course towards Hamilton Road
Stuball

The Ochil Street/Tollcross park burn may be a different one unlessit turns north after the golf course which is unlikely
Stuball

Right, if you look at where the burn turns sharply in the golf course and follow a virtual line down to hamilton road, you'll notice a break between the car dealerships that looks like a culverted stream. It continues down towards London Road in the same way but stops at a construction site.... andthe current live.com birdseye view shows a stack of pipes ready to be planted :)
LowLight

Nice one mate. Well that's another mystery kinda solved.

I'll call it Robertson Burn.  
LowLight

Following this further east I thought it would lead to Woodend Loch or Lochend Loch (Drumpellier) but I think it runs just south of King Street and under Blair Road in Coatbridge.

I'll need to go over it again though because my heid is burstin'.
Alex Glass

I was up there a coupl of months back and took some photo. I thought it was possibly the remnents of the Monklands Canal.

This is where your arrow points "Through Back Gardens"



This is at the road east of the above point - Brodie Grove



And where you point at the area behind Easterhouse Station



The area at the side of Easterhouse Road to the east has changed since the Google Earth photo.



The burn runs under Easterhouse Road. This is the view to the west



And to the east



Some other photos from behind the houses



Whambamthankumam

It is the Tollcross Burn. It rises from a natural spring in a field east of Netherhouse road at Commonhead farm near Easterhouse and discharges into the Clyde at Dalbeth, between the cemetery and the Whisky bond. The Clyde Walkway passes over it at this point.

Spring is the red dot.



The spring taken by me a few years ago. It runs east and then takes a sharp corner south where it is joined by another stream.



Looking north from the bank of the Monkland Canal where the burn passes below it. The M73 motorway to the right.



The Clyde at Dalbeth.



This burn is at its most picturesque where it runs through Tollcross Park.
LowLight

Brilliant photos and some excellent info. Thanks to everyone for the help.
Alex Glass

I will try and get down to Sandyhills later in the week to take some more photos and may even manage to get to Tollcross Park

Thanks for starting this thread Lowlight. I was wanting to find out more about this burn/stream before posting the photos but never got round to it.
Stuball

 I keep meaning to pop along to Tollcross park
LowLight

That would be great Alex. Thanks again.

The thread turned out a lot better than I thought it would. :)
Alex Glass

It was such a great start that I am sure it will get more interest if some of the guys manage to get out and take better photos.

LowLight

Aye I'm only a few minutes walk from Netherhouse Rd so I'll definitely be taking a trek up there for a few shots then I might even follow it for a wee while.

Better look out the wellies.
Alex Glass

I went for a wee wander round Sandyhills today in pursuit of the Tollcross Burn.

Although I didn't start here the Burn appears at Blackcroft Road.

It is under the gardens and houses here



And emeges in view across the road



First sight of it is here





It travels between the gardens in Manse Road



Before it is clearly seen from Sandyhills Road
Alex Glass

From Sandyhills Road just down from Shettleston Road the Burn can be seen behind the large gardens















It then disappears into Sandyhills Park



But throughtout the Park there are signs of the possible track the Burn follows.
Alex Glass

In Sandyhills Park there are T shaped signs which I beleive may be to identiy the path that the Burn takes through the Park











It seems to wynd its way throught the park before a clear sign that the Burn is about to appear again



Does anyone know what this sign means?

Alex Glass

In just an hour I tracked the Tollcross Burn to the rear of Ardgay Street







This section is between Ardgay Street and Strowan Crescent and is were my journey ends for now







James

Excellent pics Alex.


James H
sputnik

alex,is that wee cog thing not the logo for what was the g.e.a.r. project.greater eastern area renewal.complete waste of resources that it was.
Alex Glass

Thanks Sputnik

I didn't think GEAR went that far east as it appeared to be concentrated around the inner east end but you could be right as the timing if the park being created fits with the timing of GEAR.
Stuball

I'm positive it crosses under Ochil Street and onto the park
Alex Glass

I was going to try and get to Ochil Street tomorrow if I can get time.

That area was flooded some years ago and I am sure the culvert is visible about Ochil Street
Stuball

I might race you there if I get out of bed at a decent time
Alex Glass

I take it you didn't manage to get down to Ochil Street Stu

Yesterday I spent just under 2 hours following the path of the Tollcross Burn from where I left it the day before - Killin Street.

Looking east toward the location from yesterday at Sandyhills Park







Across the road the burn continues west



LowLight

Brilliant stuff Alex.
James

Great pics Alex.  


James H
Alex Glass

The next visible location is Grampion Place

Looking east





Again across the road to the west





LowLight

Alex, thanks a lot for taking the time to do this.
Alex Glass

Lots more to come James

The next stop is at Amulree Street where on the east there is a familiar brick wall



This tile it is very close to the house next door



There is also a ladder down from the garden although it isn't that high and some form of barrier



As the streets all run north to south there are always two viewable locations so across the street you can again see it to the west and there is considerably more space either side of the burn



On the south bank a new housing development is located. This is new and within the last 3-4 years.

Stuball

I did'nt Alex.... I've had sleep problems so havent had the chance. Should have done it this morning instead of pottering about on the computer
Alex Glass

Beleive me it was a pleasure Lowlight. It was better that having lunch in the office.

Next location is Glenalmond Street still heading east along the rear of Ardgay Street. On the east side of the street you can see that the bridge walls start to get smaller but there is a black painted galvanised fence on top.





There is a similar ladder



There is a clear bend as it travels east to west



Across the road looking west again the same wall and fence





A bit more space on the south bank an thick shrubs on the north

Alex Glass

Stu

I didn't have time and it was getting to dark to take photos in the cemetery so the last section at this end has still to be done if you are able. There should be a section o the burn viewable within the St Peter's Cemetery on London Road before it discharges into the Clyde at the bottom of the cemetery.

My next stop is Ochil Street A similar wall to the previous one which looks like this is the older sections





Although there looks to be a culvert here



The Tollcross Burn is still visable across to the west side of Ochil Street and you can see from this side where the burn disappears underground at the next street - Eckford Street





Stuball

Alex Glass wrote:
Stu

I didn't have time and it was getting to dark to take photos in the cemetery so the last section at this end has still to be done if you are able. There should be a section o the burn viewable within the St Peter's Cemetery on London Road before it discharges into the Clyde at the bottom of the cemetery.


Aye, thats right, leave me to do the bit through apache country  
Alex Glass

Unfortunately there isn't much to see from the next stop on Eckford Street as this is where Tollcross Burn goes underground until it emerges again within Tollcross Park.

There is a power station which restricts the view on the east side of the street



If you look carefully you should be able to see the top of the culvert



On the west side of the street there is no visible sign of the burn but you can see the general direction it is heading

Alex Glass

Its a lovely cemetery Stu and no one will bother you  

There is a visible sign on Wellshot Road of where the Tollcross Burn once visibly traveled under the road. On the east you can still see the bridge



Looking over the bridge the area where the burn traveled is still clear but there is no sign of the burn as it is now underground and is quite a distance below



On the west side of Wellshot Road the other side of the bridge is still there



But from the roadside there is still no sign of the burn



Although from within the park looking back toward the bridge there is what looks like an entrance to the tunnel under the road



This was only the first half on the journey with the best views of the Tollcross Burn yet to come as it wanders through Tollcross Park
Stuball

Is the Tollcross Park petting zoo still there?
Alex Glass

I will post some photos on the Glasgow Parks thread fo you.



More tomorrow
Stuball

Alex Glass wrote:




Fairburn St on the right..... the clue is in the name I think
Alex Glass

Tollcross Burn through Tollcross Park

As you will have seen in previous photo Tollcross Burn is not very deep. It's voyage through Tollcross Park shows that it is shallow throughout its journey.

The first sight of it is from a high walkway and the foot of the field attached to the Children's Farm





From the bank you can see where it enters the park but first this is the gate below the bridge at Wellshot Road



Here is the actual entrance









On its journey through Sandyhill and Shettleston there where many bridges that it passed under. As it travels through Tollcross Park there are just as many bridges



Alex Glass

There are a few drainage inlets on the wat but this stone bed looks a little strange



At varoius points there is a drop in level



It isn't far before the next bridge appear







And it travels on through te park

Alex Glass

It is a longer journey till the next Bridge as it wynds its way down throught the park











Alex Glass

Almost at the end of Tollcross Burns journey through Tollcross Park and the final two visible bridges come into view



This looks like it is some type of mechanical mechanism related to the old burn





And this bridge in the last one in the park



And before the burn disappears once again this is the bridge at Tollcross Road



This is the last view within Tollcross Park

Alex Glass

The view of the burn from Tollcross Road







On the Bridge - toward the park

Alex Glass

Before I finished I decided to try and track the path of the burn underground

From one of the photos from the park you can see the general direction of the burn and from Tollcross Road this is the direction it takes on its way to the River Clyde



Through to the rear of the houses you can see that the area is almost clear toward Potterhill



Looking back toward the park you can almost see a clear line though the houses



From the rear of the houses the burn travels underground through Potterhill and across London Road into St Peter's Cemetery.

I believe that the burn is in places visible within the cemetery to the left of the entrance down to the south of the cemetery where at the River Clyde it discharges into the river.
Stuball

I think the drops in the burn are probably for speeding the flow up... the flow might have been used to turn a mill or two along the way. It reminds me of the laid that runs through part of Perth which is a shallow man-made stream that powered the mill (now a hotel)
Alex Glass

Sounds about right Stu.

The strangest thing was just how still and stagnant the water looked at the end of the park and it didn't seem to be flowing at any speed under Tollcross Road
Stuball

Maybe it just dumps into the sewar
Stuball

Stuball wrote:
Maybe it just dumps into the sewar


I take that back... it is clearly visable on live.local maps.

Might be down to less feeder streams on its course
Alex Glass

I was in the St Peter's Cemetery a couple of years ago and I seem to remember a very small stream running between the new and the old cemeteries. I think I missed my footing and stepped in it and it wasn't any more that a foot wide. Maybe it narrows to such an extent that by the time it reaches the Clyde all you will see is a bit of pipe.

Looking again at the photo near the wall there are a lot of reeds before the close. Maybe they are sucking up all the energy from the downward pressure as it goes through the park.
escotregen

I may have posted something of this before but it seems appropriate to repeat it at this point of the thread.

After the burn leaves the park and goes south under Tollcross Road it was culverted in the 1980s as part of the housing association development on the opposite side. I oversaw the building project in my time in the East End. The builders were Cruden and the architect was Elder & Cannon (although it was a design and build brief).  

I believe that we were one of the very last developments to get grant assistance from the Brownsite Fund of the old Scottish Development Agency. This was because there were serious ground problems -–and the burn itself was a source of chemical contamination. The local anecdotes had it that the contamination came from a Reo Stakis operation well to the north of the city.

We did speculate in the early design stages about making the burn a natural feature of the development. But the economics and health implications meant that culverting was the only feasible option.  Consequently the building footprints had to be carefully designed so as to accomodate the underground culvert - hence how it is still easy to trace its course through the development.

If I recall correctly, there may be an open steel grating over the burn at some point as it travels through the site Such a specification certainly was shown on the very earliest drawings, but I don't recall ever having actually seen such a feature in the finished site.
StevenJ

having seen many threads on Burns on this BB and Hidden Glasgow, I was wondering if there is some significance to Burns that I am missing?

Being from south of the border, to me they are just dirty streams........

what is the fascination and the historical significance?
Stuball

For me, its about how their course has been changed or how its been covered or used for things such as mills along the way... most of them are now hidden underground in culverts and few people know they ever existed. They dont appear on maps so its quite an adventure tracing the current route from spring to river
escotregen

StevenJ if there is some other significance I’ve been missing it for years . I think quite simply the attraction is that burns are one of the enduring but vanishing last links mediavel Glasgow. Many a historic story of any authenticity about Glasgow can be linked in terms of place to some ancient burn or other.
Alex Glass

escotregen wrote:
I may have posted something of this before but it seems appropriate to repeat it at this point of the thread.

After the burn leaves the park and goes south under Tollcross Road it was culverted in the 1980s as part of the housing association development on the opposite side. I oversaw the building project in my time in the East End. The builders were Cruden and the architect was Elder & Cannon (although it was a design and build brief).  

I believe that we were one of the very last developments to get grant assistance from the Brownsite Fund of the old Scottish Development Agency. This was because there were serious ground problems -–and the burn itself was a source of chemical contamination. The local anecdotes had it that the contamination came from a Reo Stakis operation well to the north of the city.

We did speculate in the early design stages about making the burn a natural feature of the development. But the economics and health implications meant that culverting was the only feasible option.  Consequently the building footprints had to be carefully designed so as to accomodate the underground culvert - hence how it is still easy to trace its course through the development.

If I recall correctly, there may be an open steel grating over the burn at some point as it travels through the site Such a specification certainly was shown on the very earliest drawings, but I don't recall ever having actually seen such a feature in the finished site.


Thanks Escotregen

Cracking personal information relating to the work carried out to culvert the burn. Would you still have access to the original plans or would an approach to the Association be appropriate.
escotregen

Alex I don't have any remianing contatcs at the local Association. But I was anyway thinking that if the steel grating thingmy does exist maybe it would be more part of the public drainage system? That in turn maybe makes it more likely that either a statutory agency like the Council's DARS or roads a & highways... or even SEPA or Scottish Water holds the detailed plans and drawings of the finished culverted stream. Any chance you could make an enquiry at the Council and if theat fails I can get in touch with one of my chums who worked with the architects (the excellent Elder Cannon) at the time and see if we can pick up the trail from there.?

See this Urban Glasgow thing... it's harder than work
Alex Glass

But much more rewarding escot

I will see what i can dig up within the Council.
falseface

I'm sure theres a "pipe" popping out near the Clyde in that general direction. Near St peters Graveyard... need to check some old snaps

F
LowLight

Looks like I've got a bit of reading and picture viewing in here.
Alex Glass

Just the two opposite ends to get Lowlight.

There is a section of the burn viewable through the park in Garrowhill along Viewfield Drive.

There should also be a bit of it running through St Peter's Cemetery down to the Clyde.
Stuball

Well, I've been out this afternoon tracking the final part and heres the results

From Tollcross Road to London Road it is culverted with no evidence above ground at all. It comes out straight into St Peters Cemetery under the wall of London Road.




Hard to make out but there was alot of growth over the stream.

Further down it opens alot more and it was quite high.




Stuball

And here we are.... I have seen the end! This is the end...

Final Straight



One last bridge



Final Fall



The clyde



LowLight

Amazing. Thanks to everyone for their help.

I'm gonna walk the whole thing one day.
Alex Glass

Great photos Stu  

It looks better in this section and more like a burn although it is narrow

There are still some sections of it visible up at Garrowhill which haven't been photographed.  
toomse

Hi peeps – 1st post here

Thought I’d provide some maps to aid your adventure in case you’ve missed any sections out

 



































disappears after previous diagram below Sandyhills park
next location here:










































disappears after the previous diagram then re appears on the south side of London Road





















any info on the St Enoch’s burn would be most appreciated
http://www.nls.uk/maps/towns/detail.cfm?id=786
James

and great first post.  



James H
Alex Glass

As James said Great first post Toomse

And a find start to your involvement on Urban Glasgow.

Glad now that I didn't post up the map I used on my wander
LowLight

Good stuff toomse. Thanks for that.
Alex Glass

I know it has been some time since anyone posted here but on a recent walk from Shettleston to Baillieston I managed to get a couple of photos of where the burn is visible not far from the entrance to Early Braes Park

Looking north on Baillieston Road





Looking south on Baillieston Road



Glesga_Steve

Stuball wrote:
Also check Sandyhills Golf course.... theres a burn running through the middle of it


Hi folks, first post here.

FYI, the burn that runs through Sandyhills Golf Course is called the Battles Burn. Other than the section through the golf course it is entirely culverted.

It starts in the north-west corner of Barrachnie Park (to the rear of Birchwood Avenue - it used to be an open ditch here up to the late 80s/early 90s), runs generally south/south-east through Mt. Vernon to the golf course, crosses Killin Street just north of the Tollcross Road/Hamilton Road mini-roundabouts, cuts south across Tollcross Road, then runs directly west along the rear gardens of Pencaitland Drive, crosses Fullarton Ave/Eversley St/Causewayside St, turns south through the industrial estate anc crosses Easterhill Street and then continues generally south until it joins the Clyde a short distance upstream of where the Tollcross Burn joins it.
Alex Glass

 to Urban Glasgow Glesga_Steve

Thanks for the information. I will try and get some time soon to nip down to the golf course to take some photos.
Whitehill Lass

I have thoroughly enjoyed this post following through where the  burn runs.It was quite an adventure and very interesting .


cheerio the noo
Glesga_Steve

In Blue Peter style, here's some "I prepared earlier"  .

Battles Burn Photos

These were taken by a colleague for work purposes back in 2004. I've never been on the course myself, so I can't provide comment on where each one was taken. The order they appear in is the order they were taken in though, so I'm assuming they're in some sort of sequence (e.g. upstream to downstream; or vice versa).
weegie

Hello everyone, just found this wee burn thing you's are talking about. well i stayed in easterhouse and as a wee boy me and my pals would all go to the wee burn when we got our pocket money, bottles of alpine, limeade was my favourite, whoppers,mb bars, dainty's, glass toffee,etc.
What a beautiful place it was early 1970's we would sit there all day in the sunshine listening to the stream and watching the water voles, so silent and peaceful and the water was crystal clear the only thing you heard was the blue train passing and the local farmer out on the field with his tractor, we would cross over wardie road onto the farm and we sat at the burn and at the other side of the burn was the railway line that went under an old bridge which the road over the bridge was hallhill rd the burn then came out and under edinburgh rd adjacent to barrachnie rd. good memories.
weegie

weegie wrote:
Hello everyone, just found this wee burn thing you's are talking about. well i stayed in easterhouse and as a wee boy me and my pals would all go to the wee burn when we got our pocket money, bottles of alpine, limeade was my favourite, whoppers,mb bars, dainty's, glass toffee,etc.
What a beautiful place it was early 1970's we would sit there all day in the sunshine listening to the stream and watching the water voles, so silent and peaceful and the water was crystal clear the only thing you heard was the blue train passing and the local farmer out on the field with his tractor, we would cross over wardie road onto the farm and we sat at the burn and at the other side of the burn was the railway line that went under an old bridge which the road over the bridge was hallhill rd the burn then came out and under edinburgh rd adjacent to barrachnie rd. good memories.
I actually think it's either an overflow from drumpellier loch or the monklands canal.
Aperolgirl

Re: The Wee Burn Adventure

LowLight wrote:
Up until about 6 months ago I never even knew this wee burn existed.

So what better to do than trace it for a couple of miles on Live Maps.

Any info on it and where it eventually ends would be helpful.

I just found more of it heading East, it just kind of disappears though.


Its travels take it through Glasgow Business Park, under Edinburgh Road and Garrowhill Train Station.



From Garrowhill to the backs of some house in between Blackcroft Rd & Rylands Drive.



Closer shot of those gardens



And its last know sighting is just off Sandyhills Rd



The search continues.
g-man

wee burn

I remember the burn when it appeared on the other side of tollcross rd from the park,it was quite a drop down to it and only ran for maybe 20 metres before disappearing under what was the railway embankment.
Macman

I know this is an old thread, but just thought I'd post this reference to the Tollcross Burn in the first part of a list of works to be done by Network Rail and various contractors during the line closure (Caldercruix - Dalmuir) over the weekend of 7/8th November 2015:
(Source = Network Rail Engineering Access Statement)

Quote:
NEM2 UB 240/089 Tollcross Burn - renewal (4m
1680yds) (0030 Sat to 0505 Mon) Garrowhill to
Airdrie.

Carntyne Cat 4 700yds (1m 1660yds to 2m 600yds).

UB240/128 Sandyford Street (2m 512yds to 535yds)
renewal (NEM3 Partick to Charing Cross and ARG2
Partick to Exhibition Centre) (0025 Sat to 0525 Mon)
[AFFECTS GLASGOW QN ST LOW LEVEL &
ARGYLE LINE SERVICES].

Hyndland East Jn S&C.

EGIP: Anniesland Connection - Installation
(Knightswood North Jn to Hyndland North Jn).

UB 056/004J, Camlachie Syphon (ARG2 ¿
1m0880yds) (Bridgeton to Argyle St) (0020 Sat to
0515 Mon) [no route available between Rutherglen
and Exhibition Centre]


Which being interpreted means:
Network Rail appear to be taking advantage of the line closure (which is mainly for the bigger works at Anniesland and alongside the Cydeside Expressway) to replace an underbridge at Garrowhill which carries the railway over the Tollcross Burn.

If so, it should be possible to see exactly where it goes under the railway.
LowLight

Thanks Macman. Didn't realise my pics were gone.

Fixed the images.
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