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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:31 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote Report this post to Mods

I have an illustrated brochure of 44 pages about the Tollcross Foundry. Its called Tollcross S&L Steel Foundry.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Report this post to Mods

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I was involved in a noise reduction scheme where the tubes were dropped into an acouistic "box". We looked at Russian technical papers on the subject where tubes were dropped into a chamber of water. At the hot saw the noise could peak at 113 decibels. We tried various methods of noise control. At Imperial we actually lagged the entire end of the top bay in a special acoustic screen to cut down tube noise. Very technical and very clever system that worked but did not obey the "mass law" in physics! Had me in the Glasgow Mitchel Library for a more than a day working out how the scheme worked. It was more than £100,000 less than an ICI proposed scheme. The only other use in the UK as far as I know was in a Royal Ordnance army tank testing bay! Similar noise reduction but not as technical is used at Central Station low level. If you stand on the platform look at the wall opposite at the height of the rails. You will see a perforated steel sheet. Behind this is a fibreglass filler of a specific density ie 75 or 150nms and thickness.


Yes, I recall the perforated steel sheet box structures when the Argyle Line re-opened. Can't remember the exact detail but it was also installed at Queen Street Low Level station later, and difference in noise levels was really noticeable. I got a phone call from someone wanting to take dB readings at Queen Street. He wanted to know in a given hour which trains through there would be worked by the new Class 314 units that were bought for the Argyle Line re-opening.  He thought the accoustic boxes didn't make much difference - told him to go check Charing Cross station (which wasn't fitted then) especially the Partick end when one of the old blue trains (303/311) was arriving from Partick direction, and he'd soon find out what difference it made for folk waiting on the platform.

Still, nothing like Clydesdale. I think it was the height of the Mill shed would amplify sound plus new shed I think  was probably built on top of the remains of the old bing at the back of the Clydesdale, so it fair boomed out over Mossend. Nothing but those sheds now, everything on west side of them has been flattened, and the railway yard lifted..

some shots of the place taken from the railway:-

(deleted wrong link - IBrown)

Clydesdale railway yard, taken from a passing train c1972. View looks south east. Gone now.
http://www.rcts.org.uk/features/m...end&serial=3&img=G-112-36

Clydesdale dominating skyline. Taken from a train c1972 (not far from where I lived on Calder Road). View looks east
http://www.rcts.org.uk/features/m...end&serial=1&img=G-112-34

Buildings on Clydesdale Road, bridge over railway is closed for electrification works.. View looks south c1972.
http://www.rcts.org.uk/features/m...end&serial=5&img=G-109-03


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Report this post to Mods

Wonder if one of the mods could fix that first link, only picking up part of the address - there's nae tramcars at the Clydesdale.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Report this post to Mods

I remember these locations. The Imperial tubeworks acoustic lining worked on the principle of cutting down tube reverbaration time by using two different thickness's of compressed rockwool. It worked as we got much more than the specified/required 20db reduction in sound directly through the wall before and after installation. It was so successfull I think it was "written up" in an obscure technical journal as  an example of "good practice". North Lanarkshire Council or what they were called at the time were very impressed. I wonder how many people know acoustic boxes are on the railway at Central Station low level. A few years ago I used my knowledge in such matters to get an acoustic screen put up at a local electricity transformer sub-station when new build houses were being erected next to it. There was a very low noise hum from the transformers which we got substantially reduced. I was up at Ravenscraig Sports Centre last year and drove by the old Clydesdale site. Very sad to my mind how industry has just collapsed. But that might get me on to a topic that possibly Ravenscraig should not have been built in 1956/57.It was a political decision by McMillan and the Tory government of the time. The Tories were the main political party-with most seats- in Scotland at this time and their MPs persuaded McMillan to pour millions into the Craig. Ravenscraig steel was not always as good as steel from other UK plants.
I sometimes had to do comparison analysis of steel from various UK plants and I know Ravenscraig steel strip had problems meeting Ford motor company quality requirements. I dont know if they ever succeded in meeting Ford requirements. We used to do a lot of inter works steel checking. Thus I checked Craigneuk/ Hallside steel along with Tollcross. Occasionally River Don, Port Talbot etc Ravenscraig was done monthly mainly to check out the labs were giving consistency with machine
analysis. But it did show the Craig was sometimes not as good quality wise as other plants in BSC. Output per man shift was a good as anywhere. But shear tonnage does not count if you cant get the quality.
Maybe controversial but from the quality angle the Japanese could undercut us in both price and quality for North Sea line pipe back in the late 1970s. If the Chinese really get there act together re steel etc then no one else will have a chance.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Report this post to Mods

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Wonder if one of the mods could fix that first link, only picking up part of the address - there's nae tramcars at the Clydesdale.


IBrown.....hope that's the correct photo mate.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Report this post to Mods

IBrown wrote:
some shots of the place taken from the railway:-

Clydesdale Offices, taken from a passing train c1972. View looks north east..



That one isn't Clydesdale, that is Clyde Crane, which was on the north side of the Bellshill to Holytown line, next door to the foundry.

This is Clydesdale.


This was taken from the top of the bing, which was created when they dug the foundations for No2RF.  The building closest to the camera was the XL plant, and the blue building was a mess room, my office was the second window down just after the lampost.  To the left is No1RF and the medical block.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Report this post to Mods

Some good stuff here
http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk...x.php?service=RCAHMS&id=73835
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In the first CANMORE pic I had to go down and measure the temperature in the casting bay. Down beside these "trumpets". I also had to go up the open hearth "stacks" chimneys to measure what was going "up the lum". Did this at British as well. No 1 RF by the late 1970s was pretty clapped out.I think the reject rate ie tubes going wrong through the mill was around 20%. The whole contraption was rocking on its foundation. Quite a sight to behold the red hot billets going in to the piercer then spun round into the No 1 RF then hot steel tube coming out the Pilger rolls with the steam rising from the water then into the hot saw for cutting then up the rollers on to the "tables". The tubes had to go through a press to make them "strait". They some times had a distinct bend in them. Quite a noise too!! Another "job" was trying to get more "life" out of the steel "discs" on the hot saw. We tried a number of different very specialist steels. There was a special cutting machine to "redo" the  saw edges on the hot saw blades. Remember these tubes were usually 15 in dia by 1/2" thick by around 50 feet long. The 18" in tubes were really pushing No1 RF to its limits by the late 1970s. No2 RF was much more modern and always seem to run more smoothly. Maybe it was because there was so many problems with No1 RF I seemed to spend more time trying to work out solutions to problems ie noise, heat, dust, failure rate and trying to keep the temperature at an even "heat" all the way through the heat treatment furnace etc etc. I think I was the only guy ever to spend time up the electric arc baghouse!! Me and a load of pigeons!! In the photo of the XL plant wasnt there a canteen round a bout there?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Report this post to Mods

Beano wrote:
IBrown wrote:
Wonder if one of the mods could fix that first link, only picking up part of the address - there's nae tramcars at the Clydesdale.


IBrown.....hope that's the correct photo mate.


Sorry, no. That's Fullwood Junction box & Clyde Crane Offices. The correct link is at:-

http://www.rcts.org.uk/features/m...photos/show.htm?location=Milnwood Jct&serial=3&img=G-113-29A

I don't know why the link is 'breaking' between "Milnwood" and "Jct". Long hand version is go to rcts.org.uk, click on photographs select mystery photographs and type in G-113-29A in 'any text' box. The offices are on the right of the train, and the signal box is Milnwood Junction.


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Alycidon wrote:
IBrown wrote:
some shots of the place taken from the railway:-

Clydesdale Offices, taken from a passing train c1972. View looks north east..



That one isn't Clydesdale, that is Clyde Crane, which was on the north side of the Bellshill to Holytown line, next door to the foundry.

This is Clydesdale.


This was taken from the top of the bing, which was created when they dug the foundations for No2RF.  The building closest to the camera was the XL plant, and the blue building was a mess room, my office was the second window down just after the lampost.  To the left is No1RF and the medical block.


All gone, except the new mill. The top of the new mill - located at the back of the works - can just be seen above and behind the nearest shed.

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