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Abandoned Central Low Level in 1967
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:19 am    Post subject: Re: Abandoned Central Low Level in 1967  Reply with quote Report this post to Mods

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I am trying to make sense of the descriptions from I Brown and Stranger as to the exact locus of the Tron smoke hole. I made a not-to-scale sketch below of my understanding of their joint descriptions in the hope that I can help shed light upon this quandary. I have no memory of seeing the alleged opening from my visits nearly half a century ago, although it is possible that I could have passed by the said opening and not understood its significance. I think I can be forgiven for that, although I say it myself. Could anyone conversant on this subject please give their opinion? †iangr

Sketch plan of Glasgow Cross station underground.




https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij3uMH4Xc9U&feature=youtu.be

05:43 does this look like the smoke hole?


https://www.flickr.com/photos/33476733@N04/6816066611/in/pool

could this be the chimney?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:46 am    Post subject: Re: Abandoned Central Low Level in 1967 Reply with quote Report this post to Mods

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applemaca wrote:
iangr wrote:
I am trying to make sense of the descriptions from I Brown and Stranger as to the exact locus of the Tron smoke hole. I made a not-to-scale sketch below of my understanding of their joint descriptions in the hope that I can help shed light upon this quandary. I have no memory of seeing the alleged opening from my visits nearly half a century ago, although it is possible that I could have passed by the said opening and not understood its significance. I think I can be forgiven for that, although I say it myself. Could anyone conversant on this subject please give their opinion? †iangr

Sketch plan of Glasgow Cross station underground.




https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij3uMH4Xc9U&feature=youtu.be

05:43 does this look like the smoke hole?


https://www.flickr.com/photos/33476733@N04/6816066611/in/pool

could this be the chimney?


Yes.
The video shows the 'smoke hole' at Glasgow Cross, next to the Tron Steeple

The Flickr photo shows Wellington Court Ventilator chimney seen from St Enoch's station. According to the drawing the chimney was 100 feet tall above street level, and there was another 20-ish feet below it, the ventilator tunnel headroom was 12' 6". The whole lot was swept away when Argyle Street station was built.That 'white building' to the left of the chimney is still standing on Argyle Street (north side) and is a good marker 'today' to where the site was - directly opposite it on the south side of Argyle Street.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Report this post to Mods


(March 1973)

I'd long wondered what that square chimney on the right is - the smoke hole, yes?
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I'd long wondered what that square chimney on the right is - the smoke hole, yes?


The 'smoke hole' in the thread is the ornamental one next to the Tron Steeple, at old Glasgow Cross station. But your photo is of another ventilation chimney †that sat between that one at Glasgow Cross and Glasgow Central. It sat behind what became Argyle Street station.

Canít believe I first raised this topic way back on page 7 of the thread on 4/12/2012! Fjordís photos on page 11 stimulated the discussion, most of the posts were made after it :

http://urbanglasgow.co.uk/ftopic3419-0-asc-100.php

4 years later, we now know a good bit †more about where it was, and about the construction of the ventilation tunnel, the building that housed the steam engine and fan and the chimney that sat behind it, but I am still no closer to finding out about the steam engine in the building, or the 20-foot diameter fan that it drove, that sat at the bottom of that chimney. The steam engine was replaced by an electric motor, and the full kit was right there to near the end, it was still there in the 1970s.

I don't believe they just knocked the whole thing down without doing some sort of survey, or take photos. Hopefully they did and its sitting in somebody's cupboard.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Report this post to Mods

Right, thanks. In my ignorance I was conflating 'smoke hole' and 'ventilation chimney', but a moment's thought would have shown that they were two separate features.
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Remarkable coincidence. Was looking at Caledonian Railway Minutes for 1913 / 1914 at National Records Scotland today and an unusual 'heading' caught my eye:
"No. 1140. Ventilating Fan 43 Argyle Street (Glasgow)". renewal of electric fan. Quote from Walkers (Wigan) £552; Matthews & Yates (Manchester) £420. Accept £420".

Looked for No.43 on Google map and its right at Argyle Street station.

Walkers put in the original steam engine. Matthews & Yates replaced it with an electric one which was still there in mid-1970s. Neither of them 'did what it says on the tin'. 'Smoke Hole'? Central Low Level Line became well known to its users as a Smokey Hole!


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IBrown wrote:
Remarkable coincidence. Was looking at Caledonian Railway Minutes for 1913 / 1914 at National Records Scotland today and an unusual 'heading' caught my eye:
"No. 1140. Ventilating Fan 43 Argyle Street (Glasgow)". renewal of electric fan. Quote from Walkers (Wigan) £552; Matthews & Yates (Manchester) £420. Accept £420".

Looked for No.43 on Google map and its right at Argyle Street station.

Walkers put in the original steam engine. Matthews & Yates replaced it with an electric one which was still there in mid-1970s. Neither of them 'did what it says on the tin'. 'Smoke Hole'? Central Low Level Line became well known to its users as a Smokey Hole!
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http://urbanglasgow.co.uk/ftopic3413-0-asc-0.php This thread on UG goes into the construction of the clydeside expressway at finneston. Thought it would be relevant if its not been posted before. Im still catching up on this amazing thread.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Report this post to Mods

bigbuck wrote:
http://urbanglasgow.co.uk/ftopic3413-0-asc-0.php This thread on UG goes into the construction of the clydeside expressway at finneston. Thought it would be relevant if its not been posted before. Im still catching up on this amazing thread.


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fastnet wrote:
bigbuck wrote:
http://urbanglasgow.co.uk/ftopic3413-0-asc-0.php This thread on UG goes into the construction of the clydeside expressway at finneston. Thought it would be relevant if its not been posted before. Im still catching up on this amazing thread.


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I know. was wondering if if had been posted earlier. Im going back nearly 8 years here lol


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