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Hugo Drax · Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:34 pm Post subject:

Aarhghh but I am a control freak. I hate chance.

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Alex Glass · Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:43 pm Post subject:

I love living between both worlds. Control and Chance its a double edged sword.
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escotregen · Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 1:02 pm Post subject:

I've just picked up on this one in my roaming around while the board is all new to me.

One of the many 'accolades' that Glasgow holds is that it was the it was the one and only time that the British establishment sent tanks against workers on strike. The old reactionary and sometime wartime hero Winston Churchill was the mover behind 'sending in the tanks'. He was indeed reactionary and had an almost pathological hatred of organised labour. He shared with the intelligence services and the Royal Family (Not the real one on the TV, the one in Buckingham Palace) a terror that working class revolution was about to be imported from Communist USSR.

I'm not 100% certain it was the same event but there was a point when the Lord Provost 'read out the Riot Act' to the assembled workers in George Square. One of the many arrested was Mannie Shinwell who was one of the original 'Red Clydeside' MPs. He was banged up in Duke Street prison (as those of you who know me, that topic is just about my very most favourite -I mean Duke Street prison, not Mannie Shinwell).

In another spooky connection between this affair of the intelligence services and Glasgow - the last Governor of Duke Street prison was, I believe, the ex head of MI6!
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escotregen · Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:08 am Post subject:

I've managed to get some documentary confirnmation on my recollections about tanks in George Square:

In the immediate aftermath of 31 Jan 1919 'Bloody Friday', as it became known, Government concerns about industrial militancy and revolutionary political activity in Glasgow reached new heights Fears within government of a workers' revolution in Glasgow led to the deployment of troops and tanks in the city.

An estimated 10000 English troops in total were sent to Glasgow in the immediate aftermath of the Battle of George Square. This was in spite of a full battalion of Scottish soldiers being stationed at Maryhill barracks in Glasgow at the time. No Scottish troops were deployed, with the government fearing that fellow Scots, soldiers or otherwise, would go over to the workers side if a revolutionary situation developed in Glasgow.
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Fjord · Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:14 pm Post subject:

Just imagine it had kicked off back then and wonder what Scotland would be like today.
Would we have been crushed into the ground or would we be a superpower dominating the sassenach's ?!!

Hugo Drax · Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:15 pm Post subject:

I wonder if there were any nascent UG photographers about getting their heads bashed in due to photographing a national security incident?
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cybers · Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:30 pm Post subject:

dickyhart · Roll and sausage Joined: 20 Sep 2007 Posts: 38

Love that story,
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HollowHorn · Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:52 pm Post subject:

Kenny, I'd always taken the reported photo of the 'Tank in the Trongate 1919' as fact. Previous to your post I'd never heard of 'Julian' so I went and had a wee look.

This 'Julian' on Lanark Moor in Aug 1918, note the driver's viewing box at the front & the No. 113 on the side:

Here is another shot taken in Denny in October 1918, note the twin viewing boxes at the front and the No. 113 again:

Finally, in Jedburgh, also Oct 1918.

Looking at the Tank in the Trongate, The viewing boxes are the same & the N0. 113 appears to be painted on the front & also on the side, though it could equally be 'U3' Hard to say. Perhaps someone could have a look at the pic in negative?

Looking at this photo of Tanks stationed in the 'Cattle Market' at the time of the strike in 1919, they do appear to of a different type to the 'Julian'
Mostly conjecture I know, but interesting none the less.

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